Sarcoidosis Answers for Physicians, Nurses and Patients

Here at SarcInfo, between 2002 and 2004, we identified the cause of Sarcoidosis, and successfully trialled a curative antimicrobial therapy. During 2005 and 2006 the US FDA designated the antibiotics Clindamycin and Minocycline as Orphan Products in the treatment of Sarcoidosis, and studies are ongoing elsewhere.

For information about this breakthrough, please post your questions at the current study-site, or the Autoimmunity Research Foundation.
 
This archive of the historic study is maintained by volunteers from the Foundation. The material here provides useful background, but much of it is now out-of-date.

** Patient Tutorials **

 Click here to read "WHY DID I GET SARCOIDOSIS? WHY ME? 

  Click here to read "REMISSION IN SARCOIDOSIS"  

 How a Pathologist can see Bacteria causing Sarcoidosis 

"How does Doctor measure my ACE, and my D-metabolites?"

 Weaning from Prednisone

 Protecting your eyes in Sarcoidosis

Vit.D and Calcium in Sarcoidosis

Hypervitaminosis D Symptoms    The SarcInfo F.A.Q.

Medical Abbreviations          CBC Radio Show

Protocol Phase 1-First 3 months

 

** Papers for Physicians **

Antibacterial Therapy induces Remission 

Implications for Autoimmune Disease 
(Here is Fulltext preprint)

Antibacterial mechanisms for ARBs 

Antibiotics in Sarcoidosis- The 1st Year 

Rationale for abx in Sarcoidosis 

1,25-D and Angiotensin II

"New Treatments Emerge.."

Jarisch-Herxheimer in Sarcoidosis

Vit.D and Calcium in Sarcoidosis

Protocol Phase 1-First 3 months

The NIH ACCESS Study finds Sarcoidosis does not go away - Click here to see, and print, the brochure


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 Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Ken (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-20-02 18:48

The "process of exclusion" (or exclusion process) is used to diagnose a sarcoid-like disease. If for example you have pulmonary concerns from an x-ray and/or ct-scan, noramlly a 'bronchoscopy with biopsy' is performed. The removed tissue is tested for one or more forms of TB and a few forms of cancer. If all these tests come back "negative" and they can not identify what you have or what caused it (the pressence of granulomas) you are diagnosed with "sarcoidosis". Many docs then confirm this with an ACE test which only confirms the presence of granulomas which they already saw during the bronchoscopy. Med School students spend about two hours out of 12 years looking at sarcoidosis, in pathology. You are diagnosed with a possible life threatening disease in the absence of one single "possitive test result".

What is really needed consists of three things: 1) An occupational and genetic survey of each sarc which then enters a National Registry to determine exposures and pre-disposition. 2) Analysis of BAL (liquids retrieved from bronchosopy often called a Larvage Wash) or electron microscope analysis of biopsied tissue to identify foreign bodies (most likely inorganic or complex firus) and 3) Truth in Telling laws that REQUIRES action and liabilities when causations are identified.

Untill this happens, prevention is impossible and cures ellusive.

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion - Asthma
Author: Admin (---.gtecablemodem.com)
Date:   03-21-02 12:47

Ken,
Doctors are not trained to be courageous. They are not trained to be researchers.

We could perhaps get a National Register if we reported all cases of Sarcoidosis to a central database. But if we were to make sarcoidosis a 'reportable' disease I believe there would be even fewer sarcoid diagnoses than there are now. This medical profession does not like to have to report anything.. let alone have to make a report about a diagnosis that even they themselves are not certain about.

The lack of knowledge about "genetics", "pre-disposition", and "the exclusion process" is overwhelming, and, I think, springs from an over-specialization as well as a lack of personal understanding about immune disease. Take a look at a pulmonologist's comment I recently read:

"It is often difficult...sometimes impossible to differentiate sarcoidosis from asthma. Sarcoidosis can many times affect the airways and cause airway narrowing, wheezing, and pulmonary function test abnormalities that are identical to asthma. It is not rare for sarcoidosis patients to be mis-diagnosed with asthma for years before the correct diagnosis is made."

You know, all the people I know who suffer asthma tell me that a characteristic of an asthma attack is just that - it is a sudden, unexpected, attack. On the other hand, I am sure nobody is going to try and persuade me that non-caseating granuloma are formed in any "attack" time frame. Maybe hours, maybe days, maybe weeks... How can such diverse disease states become confused?

The sentence "..sarcoidosis patients to be mis-diagnosed with asthma for years before the correct diagnosis is made" implies, IMO, that this doctor considers sarcoidosis is on over-riding diagnosis that supercedes any asthmatic diagnosis in a patient. Yet sarcoidosis is defined as the biopsy-verified presence of non-caseating granuloma! And asthma is asthma!

How are we going to ever have this disease diagnosed or treated effectively when doctors don't seem to have a clear picture, in their own minds, of the disease process, and the process of diagnosis by exclusion?

If it weren't so surreal it would be depressing...

Sarc reporting might work if there was just one center of excellence that suspected sarc patients would be referred to. But who would say what is excellence and what is mediocrity? It isn't going to be the medical profession... It isn't going to be a politician...

Sincerely,
Trevor

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion
Author: Ken (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-21-02 17:37

Trevor- I can not disagree with anything that you have said. But I would like or need to add this. "Non-caseating granuloma" by medical definition means 'nothing inside'. What it should mean is "we haven't looked hard enough yet". The Exclusion Process does very little to identify what if anything lies inside causing the granuloma formation. It may be Sarcoidosis or sarcoid-like. Until causes are identified, preventions are impossible and cures elusive.

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion / Mycobacterium Tuberculii
Author: Admin (---.gtecablemodem.com)
Date:   03-21-02 17:55

Ken,
You are correct.
It is important to note that the siudies which found fragments of Tuberculosis Baccillae in the center of sarcoid granuloma used DNA PCR techniques, just like detectives do at a crime scene. It would be nice if our pathologists routinely used this modern technology, instead of just microscopy...

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion
Author: Lynn (---.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity)
Date:   04-01-02 13:32

If they are finding Tuberculosis Baccillae inside the biopsies of sarc patients, then wouldn't TB meds cure sarc?

A co-worker of my husband was told 20 years ago he had TB via xrays. 20 years later he has sarc of the spleen/liver/skin/ and who knows where else. He is currently stable but his ACE was up to 170 until he started taking Milk Thistle for his liver. His spleen was removed already. He also drinks large amounts of Cyrstial Light which has aspartame. At the time I got sick...I was drinking a lot of Diet Pepsi with aspartame. I quit drinking it and got stable... he continues to drink it and I keep asking him to stop. I was looking into the possible connection of formaldehyde and sarc. Aspartame turns to formaldehyde in the body and I was recently found allergic to formaldehyde. At the time I got sick not only was I drinking lots of diet pepsi--I was in a brand new house--new carpets, walls, furniture etc!

Just some thoughts...
Lynn

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/ TB/ Food Additives
Author: Admin (207.175.253.---)
Date:   04-01-02 13:48

Lynn,
What is being found is DNA fragments of killed Mycobacterium Tuberculii. This is what is left over after the TB meds have done their job and your body has overcome the TB itself. Some people bodies have then formed granuloma around the TB DNA fragments.

In the past the fragments couldn't be seen under a microscope, but now, using DNA PCR technology, it can be found at the center of the granuloma, and it is assumed the granuloma were formed to try and encase the dead fragments of TB bacteria.

If your friend had TB and now has sarcoidosis this is the same situation as is discussed in this overview
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m0984/n2_v114/21081716/p1/article.jhtml
and if you can find a doctor who understands this you might be able to get some help for your friend. Of course, the original TB diagnosis may have been faulty...

Finally, Aspartame has joined Tartrazine (FD&C Yellow #5) as the two most dangerous food additives. I can't tolerate either of them. Take a look at E951 and E102 at this URL for more info about possible adverse reactions
http://www.lactose.co.uk/milkallergy/numbersprint.html

Pilots are not allowed to drink aspartame before they fly, so why is it still allowed in our food? Tartrazine is banned in Norway and Austria. Does the FDA think that Americans' bodies are hardier than than those of the Norwegians and the Austrians?

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: kenyatta (---.or4.marketscore.com)
Date:   01-30-03 11:32

Someone (doctors) working 9-5 pm, off on most Fridays, receiving over 100 thousand dollar yearly, like my doctor who has twin mercedes, three houses, a caddy to drive to work, don't forget a son in the best school, can afford to spend a little more time in his field helping those and living up to his oath.

peace out

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Pepi (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   01-30-03 13:19

I got better after taking TB drugs ... my worry now is that if I did ever get TB would the drugs be effective ?

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Meg (---.188.244.147.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-30-03 19:01

Dear Pepi,

You say you are better after taking TB drugs. Have ALL your symptoms abated?

Are you at high risk for exposure to TB? Assuming you were to contract the tuberculosis bacillus, I know of no reason why the standard therapy would not be effective.

Meg

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   01-31-03 06:58

Pepi,
TB drugs generally are more toxic than the antibiotics we are all using, and therefore we haven't talked about them much. But they are effective against some of the CWD sarc bugs. Not necessarily the E-coli and Strep derived varieties, though.

Plaquenil is also a reasonably toxic drug that can kill some of the bacteria. Again, I don't talk about using that unless the other antibiotics have failed.

It is great that the TB drugs made you better.
Chances are that you would need to continue taking them (every few months or years) as the microbes regrow. That seems to be the case with antibiotics.

Why not talk to Doc about trying Minocin and/or Benicar for a month or so. Now that you know the TB drugs worked it is time to make sure you fix fix ALL of the Sarc symptoms... (IMO)

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Rachel (---.kinex.net)
Date:   02-19-03 15:13

I have sarcoid and its making me also having asthma symtoms! I am currently on pulmocort turbo inhaler, it has made a difference in my life. I had resigned myself to coughing and hacking, now I can breathe well. I have 3 other people in my area that have sarcoid. Don't you think that is a high number of people to have that in a small area??

Wondering,
Rachel

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Meg (---.188.244.147.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   02-19-03 16:26

Hi Rachel,

Welcome to sarcinfo! I'm sorry you are unable to get rid of the cough and hacking. It's a common symptom of sarcoidosis involving the lungs.

The Turbocort inhaler you are using delivers a dose of a steroid, like Prednisone, directly into your lungs where it is absorbed into your circulatory system and affects your entire body just like a pill. Cortisone can help you breathe easier but it will not cure your sarcoidosis. Reference #12 at the bottom of this page can tell you more about that.

Even when used as an inhaler, steroids can cause bone loss, as described in the first paper on Prednisone at the bottom of this page.

To learn more about how you can put your sarcoidosis into remission, please read the patient tutorials at the top of the page on the left. You can also find out information on specific topics by reading the threads. Those that are starred are especially important. Or you can use the search feature of this site by clicking on the word search at the top of the page.

If there is anything you don't understand, you can post a question under the appropriate topic. We hope you will join the many patients here who are treating their sarcoidosis safely and effectively.

Meg

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Pepi (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   02-20-03 13:44

Hi Trevor et al,

I took the Tb drugs in 1999 and yes I got better. During the Tb treatment, I kind of got worse before I got better, I thought it was the pyrazinamide causing the chronic artheritis type pain, I also had a low grade fever and felt ' fluey' for about 2 hours every day... was this the herx heimer flare ? I got over the fluey symptoms with plain old paracetamol

I have noticed that over the past 6 months I'm not felling as good as I should be, I keep getting the odd floater in my eyes and swollen glands, flu symtoms and bad sinus congestion.. I never attribute this to the sarcoidosis as my Dr's never really took the sarc thing seriously..typical eh.. in fact ive not seen a doctor in nearly 18 months (i hate going to the docs..feel like a hypochondriac after all the times I went and they said i had flu ..yeah huh..) since I first got better, had no bloods done..etc since I finished the TB drugs.. just a chest xray which showed an enlarged lymph node..

Guess I should get my act together and go ..or do you think these minor symtoms will get better on their own? I'd feel an idiot if I went and the doc said I was fine.. btw I was 8 months with huge swollen glands before I first went back in 1998/99 ...lol im a bad patient i think

Thanks for this board ..its great

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   02-20-03 16:02

Pepi,
On the contrary. I would print out this CDC journal article and take it along to Doc asking for the Minocycline. Also print out the dosing tutorial, and tell him/her that folks on the Internet are saying that Minocycline is the best antibiotic to use

I can't see why Doc would argue - if you had the diagnosis saying that the TB bacteria were in your body, and the classic sarc symptoms are appearing, it would seem that Minocycline is an obvious way to go.

Remember that the Minocycline will not work at full efficiency unless you have your Vitamin D intake cut back to zero. This is because the vitamin D in your diet and in your fat storage provides the "fuel" for the inflammation to produce the cytokines and other nasties from.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Pepi (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   02-21-03 13:42

Trevor,

I just read some of the article,the bits I understood anyway lol. In 1993 I was diagnosed with Coxsackie virus, which I might have picked up while I was working in a pathology dept in a hospital. One of the microbioloists got it at the same time.. I thought it was interesting that it came up in some of the possible viral causes for sarc..

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: lizzy (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   08-16-03 11:40

I have been diagnose with stage 3 and stage 4 sarcoidosis since 1996, and now have active pulmonary tb (since June 2003) Is there any one out there that also has this? I am a health care worker, and need to know what to expect about going back to work. (I have been out for 8 weeks). I still feel pretty tired a lot, the anti TB medicines are a real killer, also. I wonder if anyone can respond?

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-16-03 11:51

Lizzy,
Was the active TB brought on by one of the TNF-alpha drugs? Remicade? Enbrel? Pentoxyfylline? (I am nosey because most of these TB and Virus side-effects are not reported properly to the FDA).

Please read through the tutorials at the top of the page, and especially "Antibiotics In Sarcoidosis"

It explains why the TB drugs don't kill the microbes causing sarcoidosis, in fact the bacteria establish a resistance to Rifampin by changing into the CWD form which cause the sarcoid inflammation.

Anyway, welcome to SarcInfo. Staffed by healthcare workers for the benefit of other healthcare workers (hey - that doesn't sound half bad

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: bpeck (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
Date:   08-16-03 20:10

Trevor:

Here's an abstract suporting your above post.
It's something I've thought about alot with Lyme - that the spirochetes that aren't killed morph into a variant, and the abx that kills the parent form
no longer works on the variant.
Barb

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11802941&dopt=Abstract

"Observations of properties of the L-form of M. tuberculosis induced by the antituberculosis drugs"

 
 Re: Process of Exclusion/Tuberculosis/Food additives
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-16-03 20:18

Barb,
That study is reference 30 from our newest paper at URL
http://www.joimr.org/phorum/read.php?f=2&i=38&t=38

There are lots of other good references in it, too

..Trevor..

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Historical perspective on Sarcoidosis:


  1. The John's Hopkins Vasculitis Center: Prednisone Side Effects (incl. PHOTOS and PHOTOGRAPHS)
  2. Steroid-Treated patients Have higher risk of Cardiac problems
  3. "Evidence Growing That Inhaled Steroids, Like Steroid Pills, Can Cause Bone Loss"
  4. "Corticosteroids contribute to the prolongation of the disease by delaying resolution"
  5. "No data to suggest that corticosteroid therapy alters long-term disease progression"
  6. Cochrane Review - "Oral and Inhaled Corticosteroids have no discernible effect on lung function"
  7. Prednisone Improves Symptoms but not Lung Function in Sarcodiosis
  8. There is no conclusive evidence that corticosteroids affect the development of irreversible pulmonary damage
  9. Clinical Guideline For Treatment Of Arthritis Pain
  10. Angiotensin II receptor on BALF macrophages from Japanese patients with active sarcoidosis

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