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 assorted eye problems
Author: Cher (144.138.225.---)
Date:   05-20-02 10:29

hi everyone,
I'd just like to know if any of these eye problems are experienced by anyone else.
Sometimes it appears as though I am looking through a haze of smoke, other times like it's through water.
I also just get plain old blurred vision & a feeling of thousands of needles being stuck into my eyes or burning sensations.
Also i have also lost my vision totally for short periods ... up to about 9 hours i think was the mazimum.
Without any of these symptoms my eyesight is brilliant. I do not need any glasses or corrective scripts (except sunglasses).
I'd appreciate knowing if these are symptoms other people have felt or noticed.
Cheers everyone ... Stay Positive
Cher

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Caroline (---.win.org)
Date:   05-20-02 11:03

Hi Cher,
I just read of your eye problems. Have you been checked for iritis or uveitis? I've been treating that for years. Many of the symptoms match what you are experiencing. It's very important for you to be seen by an opthamologist (not optometrist, who dispenses glasses and the corresponding checkup). An opthamologist will dilate your eyes. Iritis is a problem of sarc. I have had severe pain, foggy vision, floaters and also loss of vision.

Caroline

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.cu27.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   05-20-02 11:20

Caroline,
Iritis is not always "a problem of sarc". Iritis can also a a problem resulting from the vascular damage that is done by long-term prednisone use. Maybe a fine point of distinction, but one that I believe it is worth keeping in mind.

And it is important to distinguish neurologically-induced sensations from physiological trauma. In the "Joint pain and nodules" discussion you will find I left the following message:
"At the recent Californian Sarcoidosis Network Foundation conference, Dr Steven R Hamilton, Director, Neuro-opthalmology unit, Swedish Neuroscience Institute, Seattle, WA, showed some slides and discussed some case histories not dissimilar to what you are describing. Have you thought about maybe finding a clinician who has successfully treated some neurosarcoidosis cases? You could seek their advice as a "second opinion". Most doctors only see one or two sarcoid patients in a lifetime, and have a limited amount of experience sucessfully dealing with the syndrome. Dr Hamilton, however, has made his career path in Neuro-opthalmology research. "

A good optometrist will dilate your eyes and do a thorough check for problems in just the same way as an opthalmologist. Opthalmologists tend to see sick people, optometrists tend to see normal people. I like to have my eyes checked by both, and I must confess to having found a great optometrist who provides my eyes with all the 'checking' they need.

In the thread "stay out of the sun" there are a number of posts pointing out that the eyes of sarc patients are especially sensitive to light, even indoor light. Have you thought of wearing shades to protect your eyes?

Sincerely,
Trevor

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Caroline (---.win.org)
Date:   05-20-02 12:59

Hi Trevor,
I do wear sunglasses as the light really bothers my eyes. I chose to not drive because of not having strength to brake. Prior to that because the sun stopped me from seeing if the lights are red or green when sunny. I could only drive at dusk or night. This is from damage due to iritis my first symptom of sarc. I really miss being able to drive as it has taken away so much independance.

I am surprised that an optometrist can dilate your eyes. They are not allowed to where I live. My opthamologist has also removed my 'prednisone' cataracts and was the first to send me for blood tests, she suspected sarcoid. She also found a cyst at the back of my eye during contrast photos.

Additional thoughts to Cher:
I took oral prednisone---I believe I started at 60mg/day, then tapered after two weeks-- along with pred-forte drops for iritis. Had I known what systemic steroids had in store for me I would have passed at the time. I ended up with Kenalog injections into my eye which I hoped to avoid with the oral pred. The Kenalog worked almost immediately and without the systemic effects of oral pred. Kenalog is steroids but not as hard on your body as oral steroids.

Initally I was afraid of the injections but your eye is numbed first and honestly not what I thought it would be. Please see someone with your symptoms. I ended up at the university retina institute and would also recommend your searching out a university hospital if you are unable to find good help where you live. If iritis, it can be a very long battle.
Take care, Caroline

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: mona (---.tnt2.santa-monica2.ca.da.uu.net)
Date:   05-20-02 18:53

Hi Cher and Caroline,
I too have had many eye problems resulting from the sarc. The sarc never attacked my lungs, it mainly got my eyes and has been extremely vicious. I Just had my 22nd eye surgery last week and at this time can't see out of my left eye. The problems started with floaters, which was uveitis. From cataract surgery I got glaucoma and the problems have gone on and on.

Cher, you need to find an opthamologist immediatley and let them evaluate you. One of the best is Dr. C.Stephen Foster at Mass Eye and Ear. I don't know where you live, but I am fairly familiar with a lot of the eye doctors who treat uveitis. Good luck and don't let ANY eye problems go untreated! Mona

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.cu27.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   05-20-02 21:17

Caroline,
Maybe I am missing something, but Kenalog is a potent corticosteroid, and frequent use of Kenalog is just as likely as prednisone to harm the tissue with which it comes in contact. Because it is administered locally you may not feel its systemic effects, but its ability to mask localized immune response and to do localized vascular damage (by catalysing a cataract) is still very high.

Many of the symptoms that Cher is describing seem as though they may be caused by neurological dysfunction as much as by physiological disease. That is why I recommended the name of a top "Neuro-opthalmologist".

Again I recommend that a sarcoidosis patient must seek out clinicians who regularly attend to other sarcoid patients. Ask for specifics about the other patients he/she says that he/she treats, and the success rate of the treatments given. Sarcoidosis is a very unusual type of immune dysfunction, yet the symptoms can be so easily confused with real diseases, and the incorrect treatments administered.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Cher (144.138.225.---)
Date:   05-21-02 07:30

Thanks everyone,
Although it is sometimes difficult to decide who's opinion I should listen to I think the main point is that I really do need to see an opthomologist. My G.P is like my best friend. I see him at least once a week for one thing or another (i feel like a typical hypochondriac really coz all the receptionists & half the patients know me by name & disease lol). He believes that I am experiencing Neuro Sarc from the combination of symptoms that I have & I am about to go for my next MRI. The one thing that has always stopped me from seeking a referral to an eye specialist is that generally my eyesight is very very good. The symptoms I have in my eyes come & go but whenever none are present I have excellent vision (I suppose it's a little like sticking my head in the sand & hoping there really is no problem).
Thankyou all anyway for your differing opinions. To me that means that we are all researching in some way or another & trying to find help for ourselves with that research.
Finally, I will be seeing my GP tomorrow & will ask him for a referal straight away to see an Opthomologist ASAP.
Cheers everyone & Stay Positive
Love Cher
P.S Mona, thanks for the tip but I live in Perth, Western Australia lol. I'm sure my G.P will know of at least one good one.

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Caroline (---.win.org)
Date:   05-21-02 08:48

Hello Trevor,
Great forum! No, you are not missing anything. Perhaps I am a bit unclear in my previous post.

Pred forte (steroid) drops did not help my iritis/uveitis. I lost some vision. I then tried Pred forte drops along with oral prednisone. (Initally I opted out of the Kenalog injections due to being a big sissy)!! This combo did not clear up my iritis and I continued to lose vision. Then came the second recommendation of using Kenalog. It helped immediately. At the time, and maybe this has changed, there is no other treatment for the eye. In retrospect I feel-perhaps mistakenly so-that had I initially went with the kenalog injections I possibly wouldn't have lost as much vision.

The steroids caused me to develop a cataract. When finally the iritis cleared and I had nothing active in my eyes, the cataract was removed. I was thrilled with the results of the surgery. I started wearing coke bottle glasses in 5th grade (I'm 53 now). With the new lens I could see without (correction in my right eye. My right eye vision was 20/30 uncorrected.

It lasted only a brief time and iritis again took it's toll. When it flared, it would not be controlled and my vision can now only be 'corrected' to 20/50. The flare and subsequent vision loss happened very fast.

The Kenalog was a last resort. I am certain I would now be blind in one eye. I only seek to hightly recommend Cher see a professional immediately so that her perfect clear vision does not deteriorate. Iritis can flare out of control so easily if that is what she has. The photophobia can cause blinding pain.

I am from midwest USA--computers have surely made our world much smaller. Wonderful........
Caroline

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Cher (144.138.227.---)
Date:   06-15-02 10:20

Hello Everyone,
I haven't been well enough lately to see my Dr about my eye/vision problems, (seems abit ironic really lol ... too sick to go to the Dr) mostly because I have been experiencing alot of dizziness & falling over & am afraid to drive.
I am being taken to the Dr this Monday afternoon & will hopefully get the results of my MRI & also maybe get an appt with an eye Dr of some description.
I don't know if this sounds really stupid or not but I wear my sunglasses day & night wherever there is bright light. The problem is that at night my glands behind my ears are so swollen that I can't keep my glasses on any longer. I am stunned by the myriad of problems that come with Sarc & am totally unaware of why my glands come up most often at night. They are usually always there but definitely get worse at night. ??? Who knows. lol.
Cheers everyone & stay positive as usual...
Cher

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.cu27.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   06-15-02 10:33

Cher,
Don't apologize for wearing dark glasses indoors. I suspect there is no other way of inhibiting your eye sensitivities from triggering further inflammation.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   06-15-02 10:36

Cher,

I've also been having problems with getting glasses that feel comfortable around the back of my ear. It seems like the area behind one of my ears swells a bit and the pain from glasses increases as the day goes on. I bought some new magnifying glasses this week, just to see if a new pair would stop the pain.

I don't wear prescription glasses, and this may not be a problem for people who do. I've had to get used to wearing glasses so much of the time. My eye doctor said non-prescription magnifiers are fine for reading, but now I wear sunglasses around bright light. Maybe my ears will get used to it.

Hang in there, Cher!

Belinda

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Cher (144.139.191.---)
Date:   06-15-02 11:01

Cheers Trevor & Belinda. I will. There must be some solutions out there because there have to be people with Sarc who wear prescription glasses all the time, so some of them will have had to get used to the swelling like i'm sure we will.
Cheers... Cher

 
 eye problems
Author: Nancy Cole (---.public.svc.webtv.net)
Date:   07-01-02 21:46

Caroine and Cher I was dig. w/sarcoidosis in 1997, thru biopsy of lymp nodes is stomach area. Pathology report found sarcoidosis. Since dig. have found sarcoidosis in liver, (cerrosis of liver) lungs (fibrosis) colon and bowel (removal of half of bowel and colon) Before this dig. had previously had four back surgery (degenerative disc disease) I am diabetic 11, hypothyroidism dig. at age 12, and had childhood T.B. I am now 68 years old. I read with interest now the proablem you are having with your eyes. This past week I have been to an optometrist who tells me my very recent vision problem is a macular lesion, with a large black floater. I feel as tho I have whole or blank spot but can see around it. Although I have no pain it is frustrating and seems to have a film over this area also. When reading I can skip a word and have to move my head to go back and continue the sentance. They told me that there is nothing that I can do about this. They can't tell me what caused this and to just call them if I have more floaters or starburst flashes. I have already had cateracts removed, ten years ago. They said there is no indication of damage from the diabetis. However,I read from one of your letters about the damage prednisone has on your eyes. Over the past four years I have been on prednisone, starting at 60 mgs, then 14 days in hosp. for colon surgery, with more steriods, tapering down to 5 mg the past year and half. I am still on the 5 mg to help with the terrible pain from back, joints, arthritis etc. I am positive that my local doctor is just trying to make me comfortable and is not wanting to take on sarcoidosis. I thank God that I was able to go out of state for the help with dig. and related problems. Now however I am almost completely house bound. After all this personal information, I guess what I am really trying to determine is if my symptoms are like yours and what more you can tell me about your treatment. I realize that I am probably going to have to impose on my family to take me once again on these long trips to find the help I need. Wishing once again for a miricle that this dreaded disease is not going to yet another orgin of my body. Nancy

Nancy Cole

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   07-01-02 22:13

Nancy,
the single most important thing you can do right now is talk to your doctor about the brand new options coming available for preventing the progression of diabetic vasculitis, diabetic renal disease and diabetic retinopathy.

Just a few days ago the European Union officially approved Angiotensin Receptor Blocker treatment for this purpose. In the US the drugs are approved for hypertension, and the approval for diabetic vascular disease is still in process. Your doctor can prescribe them for hypertension, or for "off-label" use.

Have a talk with your doctor about this, and accept no substitute therapies. It has to be a Sartan, either IrbeSartan or OlmeSartan. Irbesartan 150mg every 12 hours seems OK, while Olmesartan 40mg every 12 hours is better if you get stomach discomfort. In either case it has to be every 12 hours. Discuss this with your doctor and get a second opinion if he/she doesn't see the importance of this therapy to delaying your disease progression. If he is concerned about the 12 hour dosage requirement please ask us to send the doctor our manuscript describing the special dosing factors when using these drugs in sarcoid patients.
Sincerely,
Trevor.

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Nancy Cole (---.public.svc.webtv.net)
Date:   07-02-02 13:29

Trevor,
Thank you so much for the quick response and the detailed information. I will contact my doctor and let you know his response. What a blessing to know that someone actualy cares and has knowledge and compassion that they are willing to share. At my age some people think that "oh well she has lived a long life" or "she has suffered so much" Phooey!!! I"m not done yet! Thanks again.
Nancy

Nancy Cole

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   07-02-02 13:34

Nancy, you are welcome

My PhD was in the study of Diabetes and I try to keep up with all the lovely new stuff happening. It is so depressing to remember the fatalism of a few of the patients I worked with, and so refreshing to find someone like yourself that has the drive to manage your health more efficiently.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   07-02-02 19:40

Nancy,
There was a good article in the New York Times (free membership required) at URL
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/25/health/25ACE.html?tntemail0

Be aware that when they talk about the 'ACE inhibitors' they are talking about an older class of drugs that are not as effective against inflammatory disease as the new Angiotensin Receptor Blockers (ARBs) Irbesartan (called Avapro) and Olmesartan (the newest and best, IMO, called 'Benicar').

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Nancy Cole (---.public.svc.webtv.net)
Date:   07-02-02 21:31

Trevor,
Thanks again for the information. I will have something to begin my search for help. My daughter, who has been my support over the past 4 hard years, and my granddaughter, who is in nursing will do their uttmost to help I am sure. They have such busy schedules and I have imposed on them so much lately. Your help in pointing the direction my research should take and making me understand that direction will be a great help I am sure. I have made copies of your e mail and will go over it with them. You have cut our research down and I so much appreciate everything you have done. I am so interested in the ACE level e mail you sent explaining the ACE test. My doctor here has been using these blood tests as a marker for my sarcoidosis level. In the beginning my Pulmanary doctor did this, finding my level at 99 and immediately putting me on 60 mg of pednisone. That was 4 years ago with a lung specialist from another state. When my level reached 29 he had me decrease to 40mg, 20mg and down to 10mg. over next year. My doctor here has me on 5 mg per day. My last blood test, in May of this year read my level at <5 L UL range 9-67. I am still on 5 mgs. and was told if my pain decreases he will decrease this amount. I am however still on vioxx, darvocet and Duragesic patch 25mg for pain. I have never heard of anyone on this much pain medicine and think that some night I will probably die by my own hand. I am however able to take care of myself in my own home, which is a good place to be for me at this time of my life. I do realize that I need to continue to look for someone who has had some contact with sarcoidosis patients. I will let you know of my progress about everything soon. Thank you!
Nancy

Nancy Cole

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Di (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date:   07-10-02 06:59

Trevor et all,
I have been getting vision disturbance for a while, its like zig-zags that run in a semi circle or half moon around the edge of my vision, even with my eyes closed. The only description I've found that comes near it was from someone with epilepsy describing pre-symptoms of a fit. I really don't think this is serious, my optician thinks its 'migraine without the headache' and tells me my eyes are healthy. It does respond to pain killers, but is this migraine or is it another wierd sarc thing? I have suffered from migraine in the past but haven't had an attack for a few years now (since I gave up alcohol).

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   07-10-02 07:15

Di, the vision disturbances you describe are very common. What did your 1,25 Dihydroxyvitamin D3 and 25 Hydroxyvitamin D serum levels measure out at? Those hold the key... measure them and stop the worrying...

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Di (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date:   07-10-02 09:58

Trevor,

Thank you for the answer. I know all this stuff is old hat to you but to a newie its all worrying especially if that's your normal state of mind . I have an appointment with the chest specialist next month and I will also ask my GP for a blood test for the D3 and 25.

Di

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Di (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date:   07-11-02 09:50

Trevor,

I have a print out of the last set of bloods the GP ordered. I don't think he did the tests you recommend, I sure he doesn't know to do so. However, the programme he uses has flagged up the Serum ACE level: 65 and the Lymphocyte count: 4.12 10*9/L. I guess both are high. Is there a similar code for the D3 and 25 vitamin tests I should look for?

Di

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   07-11-02 10:12

Good work Di!
The Lymphocyte count probably has a "L" next to it, meaning it is low, you need to compare it with what normal range is (printed to the right of the value, usually in brackets). Lymphocytes are usually low in sarcoid, since a high value indicates active infection and we have all those granuloma wandering around to gobble up infectious agents...

Serum ACE level of 65 is not low. It is probably a little elevated, again you need to look at the normal range. Values in the range of 60-70 are nasty, because they could be 'very high' or 'slightly high' depending on the genetic allele that you have (II or DD). (there is a thread explaining this on the main topic list).

The D3 test will be labelled as "serum 1,25 Dihydroxyvitamin" or similar, but they may have been done at another lab and may be on a seperate sheet. The D3 level is usually measured in picograms/millilitre.

You might find the webpage on "Lab Values" to be a help. I can't vouch for its accuracy, I haven't checked everything on it, but it seems as though it could be a help in working through the lab data...

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: mona (---.rasserver.net)
Date:   07-15-02 14:30

Hi Di,
Your vision problems do sound like a migraine in the eye. I also get them sporadically. Sometimes looks like what you'd see through a kaleisdscope. They do cause concern, but evidentially nothing to worry about.
Best wishes, Mona

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Di (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date:   07-16-02 08:36

Mona,

Yes I did think the optician's idea sound reasonable, although I haven't been getting any head pain or other migraine-y symptoms with the eye trouble. Its defintively triggered by looking at bright lights or patterns, especially when I'm tired - Star Trek TNG did it late last night (I know, serves me right!). I work on computers all day, and then go home and get on the internet or watch TV so my eyes do get weary. However, its not visual because the effect is still there when my eyes are shut. Whether its migraine or sarc. it does go off and a dose of painkillers help!

Di

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   07-16-02 08:46

Di,
Wear shades when operating your computers and watching TV. Both are bright sources of light and cause real problems IMO. You can get prescription eyeshades if you need them. They will increase your comfort level immensely.
..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: mona (---.rasserver.net)
Date:   07-16-02 10:04

Di,
For some reason when you get a migraine in the eye you don't have any headache pain. I woke up with the "snake like kalediscope" this morning. It only lasted several minutes. They seem to come and go for no reason so I just ignore them. Trevors suggestion sounds like a good one! Mona

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Jillian (62.172.127.---)
Date:   07-26-02 09:15

Hi,

my name is jillian and live in England,

I have had sarcoidosis for about 9 years now, started with lung problems and my most recent and chronic case is that I had uveitis which quickly degenerated into a cataract and loss of sight in my left eye.
My eye consultant says that it is too dangerous to operate on my eye because the pressure is too soft and it may cave in, also she doesn't think that my sight will improve if the cataract is removed.

I have lost co-ordination in my left eye and it is mostly inflamed - as a last resort I shall be forking out a considerable amount of money on a naturopath, in a last attempt to arrest this debilitating disease.

Does anyone have any advice on arresting this inflammation or any advice on cataracts etc please?

(I was also put on oral steroids for some time which gave me some very undesirable side-effects)

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Caroline (---.win.org)
Date:   07-26-02 09:36

Hello Jillian,

My sarcoidosis started with iritis but no one put 2 + 2 together. My docs were puzzled when it wouldn't clear and I didn't have other sx. I also had numerous courses of oral prednisone, along with pred forte and dilating drops. (I do have alot of residual problems from pred.) Nothing cleared up the iritis/uveitis until I had Kenalog (steroid) injections directly in my eye. Eventually I delveloped a cataract (later removed) and my corrected vision in my worst eye is only 20/50.

I am NOT advising you do this, I am only relaying my experiences. I know how terrible the side effects of steroids are but I feel I would have lost even more vision, had I not had the Kenalog.

I am sorry to hear you are experiencing this problem. It is so very frustrating. Keep the dialog with your doc. and maybe get a second opinion on your treatment options.

Caroline

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   07-26-02 09:36

Jillian,
At the Easter conference of the SoCal Sarcoidosis Network there was an excellent speaker on Sarcoidosis Eye problems, Dr Steven Hamilton, Professor of Opthalmology, University of Washington, Seattle. His topic was "Visual Problems with Sarcoidosis" and he had lots of excellent photographs.

What I took away from the presentation was that although Sarcoidosis can cause eye problems they are relatively minor. The tear ducts can become blocked by inflammation. Inflammation can occur on any of the elements of the eye. But the only blindness he reported was due to neural problems, and was reversible. Have you looked into this possibility? It could be dysfunction in your brain, and not in the eyes.

Having said that, Prednisone is known to cause cataracts and a number of other more serious condition in the eyes. So you would need to distinguish whether the damage is due to sarc inflammation, prednisone's direct actions, or prednisone potentiating the spread of a bacterial invader.

I would never recommend injected Corticosteroid treatment until you fully understand what the effects of the prednisone were. There is no real difference on the eye tissue between Oral steroid and Injected forms, its just that you are not aware of the actions because they are localized to the eye. Just as much harm can be done with injections, sometimes more.

I know of no naturopathy that can treat eyes any better than a good opthalmologist. On the other hand, if you have a competent naturopath and an incompetent opthalmologist I guess the naturopath may be able to come up with some useful suggestions. You could get that information with much less expense if you continue to search around the web, however, learning more about your affliction, and getting ideas about how to deal with it.

You know my ideas - I always recommend getting the tests at this link done as a starting basis to figure out whether your inflammation is actively sarc or due to some other problem.

Sincerely,
Trevor

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: mona (---.lai-ca-4-63.rasserver.net)
Date:   07-27-02 08:58

Jillian,
I have had major eye problems, similar to yours. I wouldn't waste my time with a naturopath at this point. You need immediate care. Dr. Stephen Forster at Mass Eye and Ear in Boston, Mass. is the best doctor in the world for uveitis problems. He is an opthamologist and an internist. E-mail him at fosters@uveitis.org He will answer you quickly and give you the best information that you can get. Best wishes. Mona.

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Cher (144.139.191.---)
Date:   08-19-02 08:26

Hi everyone,
Well I finally saw my Opthamologist today & the news is all great. Firstly & most importantly, I don't have any signs of Sarcoid in my eyes. My vision is classified as 6/5 (perfect or 20-20 vision is 6/6 & most people average around 6/8) so mine is above perfect. What a major good break to know that there is at least one part of me that is perfect. The Opthamologist said that the only explanation he can give for the blurriness, watery eyes, soreness, headaches, photophobia etc is that it would be neurological. I told him about the vitamin D3 25 papers that Trevor & Liz have written & I agreed to send him a copy. He was very interested but still wants me to see a Neurologist, (& yes I told him I had a clear MRI & that I am on Avapro & things have been improving since).
Anyway I really posted this to share my brilliant news. This is the best news I have had since my Sarc diagnosis.
Cheers eveyone & stay positive
Cher

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-19-02 09:22

Cher,
The Avapro should stop your eyes from any further degeneration. There are some pretty huge studies going on right now to confirm initial indications that ARBs are very effective at halting Diabetic retinopathy. Even though you don't have Diabetes, the vascular degeneration from Sarc proceeds via a very similar process. So your eyes should stay in fine shape. That's great news.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: steve garbarini (---.midmaine.com)
Date:   08-20-02 09:30

yes cher i also have eye problems, started @ 1 year ago with blurry vision then one day took a nap due to the inncredible fatigue woke up with my rt. eye blurred cleaned my glasses etc then realized it was my eye. I did nothing for a few weeks thought i was nuts as usual. Finally saw neturo. did a vep and showed a loss of visual functon in my brain due to neuro sarcoid. eyes are painful blurry and dim these symptoms fluctuate. Recently told i have cataracts from prednisone which i have stopped it didn't help anyway although it did reduce my serum ACE levels.

take cqre steve

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Cher (144.138.106.---)
Date:   08-20-02 10:11

Hi Steve,
I know if i had the scientific Knowledge that Trevor had I would soon start sounding exactly like him because I have taken his advice about the ARB's & am having such success. I now constantly urge people to see their Dr's about having the Vitamin D test done & getting onto the ARB's. My vision problems have reduced significantly since being on the tablets & it also happened very quickly.
I haven't been able to have the testing done yet myself due to a lack of knowledge of the Protocol here in Perth, Western Australia. My Dr was so impressed with Trevor's manuscript & so concerned with the apparent Neuro symptoms I have had for so long that he was willing to trial the ARB therapy immediately & see if it helped at all. It has certainly done that.
So good luck,
Cheers & stay positive
Cher

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: KathyA (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   12-11-02 17:42

HI. I am new to this site. But I have questions, and I need help. I am having vision problems. My right eye is very light sensitive, sometimes I feel like I am looking through a fog, also things will get blurry if I am working at my desk or computer without resting my eyes. Sometimes I cannot even see things clearly that normally would not be a problem. When I get up in the morning and turn on the light, a sudden wave of dizziness will hit me and I have to hold on to keep from falling down. I have had MRIs and a CAT scan, all clear. My right eye also has a pulling sensation to it. I do wear glasses. My optomotrist checked my eyes, also dilated, said they were okay. What now? I have been fighting this for a year.....I do suffer from cluster headaches, and periodic severe migraines which cause my right eye area to droop and fall, my neurologist has me on topomax 150 mg a day. for the last 2 months. The vision problem has started in the last month....help....any suggestion would be appreciated. All of this is new to me....until a year ago I was healthy....Thanks

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   12-11-02 17:54

Kathy A,
You are very lucky, Kathy.
Another opthalmologist might have diagnosed you with some impressive sounding condition and given you corticosteroid shots and other treatments that, in the long run, seem to do more harm than good.

Take a look at the tutorial "Protecting your Eyes in Sarcoidosis"(click here) and you will see that it is common for sarc patients to be hyper-sensitive to bright lights.

Get Doc to measure your D-metabolites. Odds-on you will find that you have a high level of the circulating hormone 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin-D3, because this is the most likely cause for the loss of focus and floaters which you are describing.

I found that the light sensitivity diminished after prolonged antibiotic therapy. It seems to be related to the bacteria that cause the sarcoid inflammation.

Oh - Season's Greetings, and Welcome to SarcInfo.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Bastiana (---.olympus.planet.nl)
Date:   12-12-02 02:20

Dear everyone,

I a very glad for this eye item!
I have had eyeproblems due to sarcoidosis without having any medication at all, and indeed my eyes themselves seem not to be inflicted with anything.

For years I expererienced all kinds of 'mists' around me and 'pickled screens'. Even for many years I couln't experience depth in seeing.

Since I took on sunglasses, also indoors, I am stunned about the clearity of my vision now sometimes... also as if I am able to grap more of the space surrounding me...do wear the sideflaps Trevor recommends though.

One strange experience I do have: my eyenerves seem to come into somekind of cramp, as a reaction to light. I feel this physically, in middle of my skull. Like as if my swallowing reflex transports itself into the skull. I wouln't dare to tell my neurologist this strange experience.... No normal person I suppose 'feels' the nerve from the eye into the brain, causing spasms??!

Another question would be: when the cramp is severe, I am not able to concentrate on any visualisation. I tend to do this to gain control over my brains. Is this common too? Visualisation is when you built up a inner image, consequently, step by step. Not just having 'nice' pictures.

So I experience the outer clearness of seeing now, but the inner clearness, still seemes to be quite muddy and crampy.

Greetings
Bastiana

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Fernando (212.163.35.---)
Date:   12-17-02 09:34

Dear Trevor,

Dou you know if there may be confusion between Sarcoidosis and Becet disease?

A Doctor (Rheumatologo) my girlfrind and I visited last week told us that she could be sufering the Becet disease rather than Sarc.

He told us too that the unregulation of the 1,25 D is quite tipical. Next time we go to visit him I will bring your job so we can discuss about it.

Thanks

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   12-17-02 09:51

Fernando,
If the diagnosis has been by biopsy finding the non-caseating granuloma of sarcoidosis then it is sarcoidosis.

Doctors tend to try and compress the whole world into what will fit within their own understanding and experience. You have to be careful with this.

I am a little concened about any Rheumatologo who says upregulation of the 1,25-D is 'typical'. I would ask to look at some of the 1,25-D data he has measured on other patients - I would suspect there is none.

Don't get me wrong - the knowledge about 1,25-D has been around for some time, and several research groups in Spain have been at the forefront, but I suspect Doc has just heard about it at a conference, rather than having in depth knowledge developed in his practice. But if he does have in-depth knowledge you have hit a jewel - and are very lucky indeed,

..Trevor..
ps: IMO Behcets disease looks so very similar to sarcoidosis in etiology and they may just be different variations of the same inflammatory processes. I would treat with antibiotics (and ARBs) and see if that works. This therapy is safe, compared to many of the therapies developed over the years to treat the so-called "auto-immune" disorders.

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Margo (---.adsl.duke.edu)
Date:   12-23-02 14:47

Do you have any links to papers, etc. by Dr. Steven Hamilton? I haven't been able to locate any.

On the other hand, in terms of seriousness of eye problems related to sarcoidosis, I found this article:
http://www.uveitis.org/Enhanced/MD_info/md_sarcoidosis.htm

In terms of using steroids, it is a certainty that long-term use of steroids will cause eye complications. However, untreated, chronic eye inflammation will also cause complications. (Many people have uveitis that clears up in a month or so of using steroid eye drops. The difficulty in treatment comes from the others who have on-going or recurrent inflammation.)

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   12-23-02 14:58

Margo,
Here is a recent review paper he wrote, and it has contact details.

Yes, long term use of steroids is known to cause serious eye complications. The short term use may also, it has never been studied.

Again, I would advise any sarc patient bothered by vascular disease in their eyes (which covers most of the big-name conditions) to talk with their doc about immediate ARB therapy. It has been proven to halt the progression of Diabetic retinopathy, which arises from essentially the same vascular degeneration process as sarc eye problems. And it is safe. And it will also help your Sarc.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Lauren (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   12-29-02 18:31

I have sarcoid and my opthalmologist has not found anything related. I have just noticed that the sclera (whites of my eyes) are loose. They sometimes wrinkle, especially on the outer sides, enough that I feel it. The tissue around my eyes is often swollen in the morning. Has anyone had this?

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   12-29-02 19:21

Lauren,
I went to the Southern Californian Sarcoidosis Networking Convention at Easter and was amazed that in several hundred So. Cal. sarcoidosis sufferers I was the only one wearing dark glasses. The two breakout sessions run by opthalmologists were full of patients complaining of "sunburnt eyes" and sundry tissue damages (usually dark spots).

Sarcoid patient's eyes are especially sensitive to light. Even indoors light can cause 'neuro' problems for some. Direct sunlight always causes problems for everybody else.

Read the tutorial at the top of this page about protecting your eyes in sarcodiosis. It's a pain, but you need to protect them. Try the NoIR glasses for a few weeks. They are the best protection you can get, and for a relatively small expense. After you figure out the degree of protection that you need, then you can get one of the more aesthetically pleasing styles

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Lauren (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   12-30-02 17:42

Thanks for the info. I do have some sensitivity to light and I work on a computer alot.

Have you specifically heard of anyone with the sclera loose?

Thanks

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Bobbie (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   01-03-03 17:08

Hello,

For over a year I have had hypothalamic problems: Intense thirst, unable to stay warm, night sweats, diminished mental capacity, muscle loss and in the last 6 months I have had very hazy vision and a real problem with bright lights. I have had I think every available test except a brain biopsy and very little shows up. Protein in my CSF was 67. The optic nerve was mildly elevated. Blood tests show low testosterone ( I am female and the estrogen levels were fine). Blood tests also show slightly elevated calcium.
The Neuro Opthamologist said I probably do not have Neurosarcoidosis because there was not elevated cells present in the spinal fluid. He thought the vision problems I am having are related to drinking too much water. He recommended voluntary water restriction for 2 months. I have had only 2 -3 quarts a day for 3 months and my vision is no better. The more I investigate Neurosarc the more familiar it sounds. Should I find another Doctor?

Thank you, Bobbie

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   01-03-03 17:34

Bobbie,
Have your D Metabolites measured (click here)and see if there is any sign of systemic inflammation, or elevated 1,25-D. One of your current docs should do that for you.

Elevated 1,25-D is closely involved with all the sex hormones, especially testoterone, although I can't find anything specifically referring to 1,25-D effects on testosterone in women.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Meg (---.188.228.34.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-03-03 20:37

Trevor,

I am intrigued by your reference to 1,25-D involvement with sex hormones since I am on bio-identical HRT. I am having my hormone levels checked in a couple weeks to verify the accuracy of the hormone doses. Judging by relief of menopausal symptoms, the estrogen and progesterone levels should be good. My testosterone was low in 96 but I have not had levels done since then. What does the literature tell us?

Meg

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   01-04-03 10:40

Meg,
The VDR (1,25-D Receptor molecule) is taken as an indicator of 1,25-D activity in a gland. VDR activity is directly regulated by estrogen.

Some other indications of the profound role that our 1,25-D plays can be found in the study "Vitamin D(3) receptor ablation alters mammary gland morphogenesis" (which is a fancy way of saying that 1,25-D affects breast growth).


There is also a "Relationship between serum 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D and bone loss in postmenopausal women" where E2 (estrogen) is an important factor.

Anyway, enter your own search terms into the box at the top of those PubMed pages and you will find a treasure trove of other studies and information.

..trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Meg (---.188.228.34.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-04-03 12:59

Trevor,

Thanks for the info. It reinforces my belief that HRT is an important part of maintaining health after menopause. Aren't you glad you don't have these hormones complicating your life?!

Meg

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: JC Miller (---.nash01.tn.comcast.net)
Date:   02-02-03 15:21

I am having alot of problems with my eyes, My doctor is sending me to an eye specialist, is there anything in particular I should have him look at??

JC

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   02-02-03 15:56

JC,
The oral Prednisone that you are taking is known to cause cataracts, panuveitis, and other eye problems. Why not have a chat with Doc about how long you can expect to keep perfect eyesight without discontinuing the systemic corticosteroid.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: JC Miller (---.nash01.tn.comcast.net)
Date:   02-03-03 18:32

Trevor,
The doctor is cuting me off the prednisone. I was taking 60 mgs a day and now just 10mg every other day. The eye doctor said there was a little sign of sarcoid in my eyes but alot better. I got to tell you trevor, comming oof the prednisone has been hard, but I am happy to be getting off it. I have noticed my breathing is worse but at least its not a drug killing me. Prednisone is just a mask and I still can't believe that they are using it as a treatment. I have learned alot here and keep learning.

Thanks,
JC

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   02-03-03 18:42

JC,
That is good news. I wish I could advise you otherwise, but I have nothing but bad things to say about the way that steroids affect the eyes.

We all know how tough it is to come off prednisone, JC, believe me, I did it twice, and the last time it took me decade to get things stable again.

Luckily you now have some options. Have a talk to Doc about trying a few weeks of high dose ARBs to smooth over the final withdrawal phase for you. Maybe he will even let you stay on them after that They do reduce reduce vasculitis (which should help your eyes and heart).

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Rox (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   10-24-03 10:16

Hi Friend's
I have a problem I had my eyes tested 5weeks ago for new spec's great love the frame. One week ago I could not see the TV clearly I went back to optition she tested my eyes again I was shocked, I could not see the chart clearly with my new specs my vission has been reduced badly. I see my eye Doc next week. I do have neuro sarc has any one had a simmilar experience.I do not have any problems with my eyes' I think the optic nerve is at falt. I send love and good wishes to you all Rox.

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   10-24-03 10:24

Rox,
Spend $45 and get the optician at your local Walmart to check your prescription and the eyeglasses. They have computerized machinery there which cuts down the risk that the prescription can be gotten badly wrong.

It is important to go off at a tangent from your other Doc for two reasons
1. In the unlikely event it really is your optic nerve, then you really need to know, and
2. once an eye doc has gotten the prescription wrong it tends to be very hard to get it back on track again (this is a technical problem with the way they test your eyes)

The Walmart optician will also measure your old specs on their computerized machinery and tell you how the old prescription differs from your latest specs.

You don't have to buy any new specs from Walmart - just get the tests done.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Sue (---.ssa.gov)
Date:   10-24-03 11:51

Hi all,

About a yr ago my optometrist told me I had dry eyes. He could not figure out why my eyes got so blurry when I read for just a short time. I had actually given up my favorite pasttime because I just could not focus after a few minutes of reading. I was diagnosed with sarcoid just this May and was sent to an opthmalogist who never mentioned that I had dry eyes. I was also experiencing floaters at the time. He didn't find anything wrong at all. So I thought I was crazy for thinking the optometrist was a better dr. I was glad to see Trevor say to have your eyes checked by both because I really wanted to go back to the optometrist but felt like I was being too overcautious or something.
I will say since I've been on the "treatment" I can now read without going blurry-eyed or losing focus. And I just realized it this week. WOW! My eyes are still dry so I'm planning on making that visit to the optometrist just to make sure nothing was missed by the other guy.

Happy herxing to all,
Sue

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   10-24-03 11:59

Sue and Rox,
I like to think that an Optometrist primarily looks at healthy eyes, and that an Opthalmologist generally sees diseased eyes.

So they expect to see different things, and they often come up with differing conclusions. The trick is figuring out which is the accurate one I use a Walmart Optometrist for eyeglass prescription 'tweaks' and for warnings about anything that might look 'funny'.

I lost very little of my sight while my sarc was active - and my prescription hasn't changed noticeably since I started on ARBs in 1999. So it has been over a decade since my last visit to an opthalmologist

..Trevor..
ps: You will like those computerized testers they use at Walmart. They give the optician a very accurate starting point. They also just use a puff of air into each eye to measure glaucoma - not requiring pupil dilation

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Donna (---.jan.bellsouth.net)
Date:   11-03-03 11:38

Trevor,

This morning I have had an eye vision problem....I have an arc in my vision field that looks like a prism. It interfers with my reading today. Could this be related to the sarc and the toxins? I would really appreciate any input from anyone.

Donna

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Bill Tucker (203.223.45.---)
Date:   11-04-03 06:22

Donna -

That sounds to me like a "visual migraine". I used to get them, too, before I got going with the Minocin/Benicar. In me, the visual disturbance would get slowly bigger over a few hours, and then go away, leaving a bit of a headache and extreme exhaustion in its wake.

It's thought that these were interpreted as visions from God in earlier times, and they may have affected the work of such artists as Picasso, if that makes you feel any better!

Bill

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Jim Sellers (167.106.254.---)
Date:   11-04-03 08:05

Donna,

I also have had vision issues similar to yours. I would start to get blind spots that slowly got worse over about a 2 hours span. As soon as my vision cleared up, I acquired a major migraine. I used to get these on a schedule of 1 about every 4-5 years. When I moved the minocycline up to 100 Mg, I got one in the evening of the day that I too the ABX. This happened about 5 times and then it stopped and I have only had one since I was able to go to 200 mg.

Jim

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: bpeck (---.co.us.ibm.com)
Date:   11-05-03 06:32

Jim and Trevor:

Jim:
are you on Benicar too?

Trevor:

WHat do you think the mechanism was behind the eye symptoms
on the day (and subsequent days) mino was taken.?
Was it Mino killg bugs, and a release of endotoxin initiating the inflammation cascade?
Or something else?

Barb

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Jim Sellers (167.106.254.---)
Date:   11-05-03 07:21

Barb,

Yes, I am fortunate to have a doctor that worked with me on the Benicar. He was uncomfortable with starting out at the 40 mg 3x/day, but allowed me to work up to it. When he saw that I could handle the dosage, he suppported me continuing it 100%. My next appointment is in two weeks and I am going to discuss adding the z-pack with him since I will be approaching the 3 month mark on the protocol.

Jim

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Rox (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   11-05-03 07:46

Hi folkes'
Sudden swollen bilateral lens 3 days after steroid epidural for sarc of sciatic nerve root, has anyone out there ever heard of this, all contributions greatfully recieved.
Yvonne

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Margo (---.dsl.intrex.net)
Date:   11-07-03 09:28

Yvonne,

Trevor is heading to a conference today, so he won't be able to reply until later.

You may want to ask about the swollen lens at www.uveitis.org, in the discussion section. This is a type of "ask the doctor" forum, where the doctor is a top specialist in ocular inflammatory disease. He has certainly seen more of the rare complications of eye disease than most doctors. Your best bet in getting a response is a general question, such as "My doctor is wondering if sudden swollen bilateral lens three days after steroid epidural for sarcoidosis of the sciatic nerve root could be a complication of the steroid. Can you offer us any insight into this issue?"

I hope you will soon be able to try Benicar/Olmetec and antibiotics.

Hope things improve.

Margo

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   11-07-03 16:53

Yvonne,

Did you overlook Trevor's answer to a similar question on 11/02/2003 in the neurosarcoidosis discussion?

Belinda

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: norman wetmore (---.client.dsl.net)
Date:   11-12-03 09:15

I was reading some of these threads! Thank god ( I guess - lol) there are others who have floaters, blurred vision, see light rings and flashes when they close their eyes, and have that "water" effect when they move their eyes! I am not alone ! hahaha

Well..I'm looking forward to this minocycline helping my eyes, etc

Good luck to all !

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Lora (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   12-24-03 20:54

My husband has started body building and putting on mass he has been using topical steriods for putting on mass. An sence his eye sight has gottin worse. could this be the cause ?

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Rox (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   12-29-03 09:41

I have recently seen my eye doctor, having a sudden worsening of vission, he diagnosed swollen lens in both eyes, he has never seen this before in sarcoid, has any one else? Sarcoid is such a strange disease.
Happy New Year to you all Rox

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: bpeck (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
Date:   12-29-03 15:40

Rox:
Swollen lens?
What is the medical name for this?
What were your visual symptoms?
Did he prescribe anything?
Barb

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Pippit (---.asm.bellsouth.net)
Date:   12-29-03 18:57

Hello Rox,

It's good to hear you're still with us. Have you followed up on the doctor referral I gave you? It sounds as if your disease has been continuing to progress. The doctor whose name I gave you can look at your symptoms systemically. In Sarcoidosis it's necessary to have a physician who will look at the big picture since it is a multi-system disease.

Not many eye doctors are knowledgeable about all the manifestations in the eye. Most likely this is inflammation from the Sarcoidosis. My eye doctor told me that my eye problems were not Sarc-related and that I needed a prescription for eye glasses because as I got older my ability to focus my eyes would get worse and worse even though my vision was 20/20. This did not sound correct to me. After about a month or so of taking the Minocycline my vision cleared up. That was all I needed to answer my question as to whether my vision problem was Sarc-related. My prescription for glasses is still sitting on top of my Microwave in the kitchen. I do not have the blurring when reading print that I had before and I am doing alot more reading now.

I hope you will seriously consider treatment at this point. Make this the gift you give to yourself for the New Year!

Pippit

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: Margo (---.dsl.intrex.net)
Date:   01-04-04 18:38

I recently replied to some questions regarding sarc and eye problems on the General Questions thread. I would like to repeat it here:

Norman,


Trevor asked me to share my experiences with treating the eyes. Sorry it's taken me a while to respond, we had several trips in late December. I hope the topic is still pertinent.

My daughter has had uveitis for two years. Her major problem is inflammation in the anterior segment of the eye, causing pain and photophobia. (Sarc can cause other problems in the eyes, such as floaters, blurred vision, and inflammation in other parts of the uvea, tear ducts, etc.)

She has been treated with prednisolone eye drops, which do decrease the inflammation while they are being used (though the inflammation returned in a more severe form when the number of drops per day was decreased). Steroids, both oral and in eye drop form, are also associated with the formation of cataracts and the development of glaucoma. Uveitis, by itself, can also cause cataracts. She has cataracts in both eyes, clearly exacerbated by the eye drops (in the opinion of the ophthalmologist). She is also taking methotrexate to treat the uveitis, and homatropine eye drops at night, which dilate the pupil.

After we learned about the Marshall protocol, and after much searching for a supportive physician, my daughter began taking Benicar, and then minocycline. We later added azythromycin, at the suggestion of B. Wirostko, an ophthalmologist who co-authored several papers about the presence of cell-wall deficient bacteria in the vitreous fluid of patients with sarcoidosis or rheumatoid arthritis.

We haven't seen clear evidence that these antibiotics are helping. We suspect that the tubules that circulate fluid around the eye are less inflamed, perhaps because of the Benicar. In a recent post, Trevor has wondered if the prednisolone eye drops are interfering with the antibiotics.

If you can, I would try Benicar and antibiotics without prednisolone eye drops. It can be very difficult to stop the prednisolone eye drops. The Marshall protocol, minocycline first, then slowly and carefully adding azythromycin, is the approach we have taken.

Although uveitis has more than 70 identified causes, it is still a rare condition, and many eye doctors have never seen a case. One needs to consult a specialist in uveitis to find someone with some experience. It is rare for these specialists to recognize that cell-wall deficient bacteria in sarcoidosis trigger the inflammation of uveitis. However, many other ophthalmologists don't have the background to fully recognize the uveitis. I don't know the extent of your eye problems; it might be helpful to get an evaluation by a specialist in uveitis, even while recognizing that you might not follow the recommended treatment (which is likely to involve steroids or other immune suppressants). You can get referrals to specialists at www.uveitis.org.

I hope this is helpful.

Margo

 
 Re: assorted eye problems
Author: bpeck (---.co.us.ibm.com)
Date:   01-05-04 06:14

Margo:

I'm so glad you posted.
I've been wondering about your daughter.

Don't give up on those abx.

I know you are familiar with my (Lyme) story AND
my 10 year history with anterior Uveitis.

It had been my experience with Uveitis that certain abx can seem to
exacerbate the uveitis as a side effect of herx. I've had to be very carefull
with abx.

Additionally, the Uveitis flare lingers for a while when abx is stopped.
So- I'd have a flare on AND off abx, so it was VERY hard to tell what was
going on.
My Opthal. doesn't understand why I do not have cataract.
My personal opinion is that the Russian eye drops n-aceytle Carnosine (CAN-C), which are used in the Ukraine in leiu of cataract surgery have kept my lens from oxidizing.

What did you mean when you said: "we haven't seen clear
evidence the abx are working?" Does this mean the inf