Sarcoidosis Answers for Physicians, Nurses and Patients

Here at SarcInfo, between 2002 and 2004, we identified the cause of Sarcoidosis, and successfully trialled a curative antimicrobial therapy. During 2005 and 2006 the US FDA designated the antibiotics Clindamycin and Minocycline as Orphan Products in the treatment of Sarcoidosis, and studies are ongoing elsewhere.

For information about this breakthrough, please post your questions at the current study-sites of the Autoimmunity Research Foundation.
 
This archive of the historic study is maintained by volunteers from the Foundation. The material here provides useful background, but most of this site is now out-of-date.

 

** Patient Tutorials **

 Click here to read "WHY DID I GET SARCOIDOSIS? WHY ME? 

  Click here to read "REMISSION IN SARCOIDOSIS"  

 How a Pathologist can see Bacteria causing Sarcoidosis 

"How does Doctor measure my ACE, and my D-metabolites?"

 Weaning from Prednisone

 Protecting your eyes in Sarcoidosis

Vit.D and Calcium in Sarcoidosis

Hypervitaminosis D Symptoms    The SarcInfo F.A.Q.

Medical Abbreviations          CBC Radio Show

Protocol Phase 1-First 3 months

 

** Papers for Physicians **

Antibacterial Therapy induces Remission 

Implications for Autoimmune Disease 
(Here is Fulltext preprint)

Antibacterial mechanisms for ARBs 

Antibiotics in Sarcoidosis- The 1st Year 

Rationale for abx in Sarcoidosis 

1,25-D and Angiotensin II

"New Treatments Emerge.."

Jarisch-Herxheimer in Sarcoidosis

Vit.D and Calcium in Sarcoidosis

Protocol Phase 1-First 3 months

The NIH ACCESS Study finds Sarcoidosis does not go away - Click here to see, and print, the brochure


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 Archived thread-Doctors and Sarcoidosis-Please do not post here
Author: Bill Murray (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date:   08-24-02 17:05

I am trying to put together a list of Doctors listed by state and/or country tht are knowledgeable of Sarcoidosis. There are too many sites that have a list of this type that were compiled by the Doctors and not by the patients. Who better to decide if a Doctor is a good cchoice than us!! If you have any recommendations,please email me at THESARCOIDOSISFORUM@groups.msn.com or visit me at http://groups.msn.com/thesarcoidosisforum. Thanks,Bill

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-24-02 17:13

Bill,
That's a good idea.
But I am glad you are doing it.
I personally thought about it, but my judgment of many prominent doctors is lowered by the way that that they fail to react to change in a productive manner. They tend to think that if they haven't heard about something before, then it must be wrong - even if the ideas have been around for 50 years and have stood the test of time.

And not one of them would think to do a search of Medline or "the internet" when faced with a tricky problem like a sarc patient...

Actually, I take that back... Let me give you the first name:

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline McGuirl (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   08-25-02 14:20

Dear Bill:
If you get a name of a doctor who does specialize in Sarcoidosis.....in R.I. or Mass .....let me know.
I have looked over the past few years.....there is one listed...in Pawtucket, R.I.
Caroline McG.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Bill Murray (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date:   08-26-02 22:11

First off,Caroline, I have seen that doctors name on the website but i will not put it on the lsit unless i hear from a patient that has knowledge of him or if the doctor would like to tlak with me so as i can see if he is all that he claims to be. And Trevor, Thank you so much fo rhelping out. I am going to start compiling the list on my site in a few days when get a few more. I saw my doctor today and asked him to do the , test. He was not happy. He seemed to get upset at the fact that I had looked into the whole sarcoifd thing and wsnt just leaving it up to him. Oh well,too bad for him. He kept telling me how he thought it would be a waste of time to run the test but he did anyways and ran another ACE test at the same time. I am currently still on 30 mg prednisone and now i hgot some new meds. AVAPRO and TOPRAMAX. My blood pressure was 150 over 110 when i saw him today. YAY!!!!! I hate this disease. Take care all and hope to see you in my newsgroup as well. Thanks. Bill

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline McGuirl (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   08-27-02 07:10

Dear Bill:
Do you think that R.I. might have a support group someday? This site has given me a lot of comfort and support. It would be great to be able to meet fellow Sarcoidarians.
I won't ask you the name of your doctor if you don't wish to name him/her. I have many at this time....but no one for Sarcoidosis.
If and when you hear of one in the area....please print his name. ?
I agree with you about convincing doctors to go along with the tests written up etc. they admit they don't know a lot about Sarcoidosis....yet they (some) resent you suggesting tests to be done.
I saw the famous Dr. Robert Baughman of Cincinnati, Ohio once in his office and then by letter.....my son is in Columbus Ohio and it was a two hour drive to Cincinnati to see him. It was worth the drive and wait. He saw me around 5:30pm on a Friday night. He has written several papers in AMA and elsewhere. He is a pulmonologist and teaches at Cincinnati University. He mentioned that he has about 1,000 patients with Sarcoid.
Good luck with your list......
Caroline McG.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Bill Murray (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date:   09-08-02 22:26

Caroline,what part of Rhode Island are you from???id like to start a support group but im going to need all the help i can get. Thanks, Bill

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline McGuirl (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   09-09-02 13:34

Hi Bill:
I am in the area...western Cranston.....off Reservoir Ave. How about you? I have lived in Prov. Pawt. Lincoln and Cumberland.
Caroline McG.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Jillian (---.westriv.com)
Date:   09-26-02 14:21

Whoppee!!!

Just got back from seeing my MD. She's "glad" to run the D tests and ACE (plus a few more to again rule out other problems, thyroid, calcium levels, etc.), then willing to discuss what treatment(s) I'd like to follow up with, depending on the results. (Even though I've never had elevated blood pressure she's willing to do the Benicar.) She's also forwarding the results and Remission of Sarcoidosis manuscript to the Pulmonologist I saw last January (who's one of her favorite mentors).

Will keep you posted...

'til later,
Jillian from North Dakota

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Phil (---.ivylnd01.pa.comcast.net)
Date:   01-11-03 13:40

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone know of a modern thinking Sarc Dr. in the Philadelphia area?

Thanks in advance,

Phil

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.244.147.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-11-03 17:43

Dear Bill,

Since you are compiling a list of doctors,I'd like to include my experience. I got the name of a pulmonologist who specializes in sarcoidosis from one of the sarc websites. I knew that I did not have a lot of pulmonary involvement but my CT scan did show multiple nodules and enlarged lymph nodes. He was unimpressed and actually suggested the radiologist had exaggerated the findings. When I asked him about my other symptoms, thinking he was interested in any aspect of sarcoidosis, he admitted that 10% of sarcoidosis patients do not have lung involvement but was sure that I did not have sarcoidosis. I had given Trevors paper to his resident to have him read before he examined me but she was apparently too intimidated to show it to him as he was surprised when I asked what he thought. (She cowered in the corner) He reluctantly glanced at it but refused to read it. The only positive thing to come out of this $300 consultation was his suggestion that I see an ophthalmologist regarding my history of red eye. Isn't it odd that he was concerned about that but so sure that I could not have sarcoidosis. You can be sure that I will be writing him a letter in the future regarding my successful treatment and remission from sarcoidosis.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Macy (---.houston.rr.com)
Date:   01-12-03 03:27

Meg....I have been down the same road only here in Houston. The Eye doc I saw for "another thing that was inflammed" sent me to this Rheummy doc. I do not know if the Mayo doc was cold...but this doc was ice cold. She even raised her eyes when I told her that I had to have the inner eye lid lasered from the scarring that the inflammation caused.

My Chest CT scan also shows multiple cysts and a left adrenal gland swelling and some slight scarring. This info did not cut it with her.

I was so upset by her aloofness and manner that I did write a letter of complaint.

My latest thing to happen which also can come with Sarcoid is the kidney stone. I overlooked this pain because I could not bear to see another doctor who would treat me the same way she did.

How sad that a doctor can put a person in this position.

Too many areas are inflammed at various times and this certainly should arouse suspicion to "something"

Would be interested in finding a good Sarcoid Doc here in Houston with good patient feed backs.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.244.147.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-12-03 06:16

Hi Macy,

Yes, my pulmonologist was 'cold' but I've learned to look past personality to find knowledge and open-mindedness. Both were missing.

IMO, your best bet for open-mindedness is with an internist, not a specialist. An internist is trained to consider the entire body. And without knowledge of out-dated information regarding sarcoidosis, he/she might be more willing to consider something new. If you have a primary doctor who knows you, that is a good place to start.

Take care,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline (---.win.org)
Date:   01-12-03 09:45

Hi There,

I had to put my two cents in. I have gone fiull circle with doctors and am back to my internal medicine PCP. I mistakenly thought I 'needed' a 'specialist'. Two of those specialists are in each of the two major teaching hospitals in St. Louis, Missouri. One is even a professor. Trevor and Liz's research was ignored when I took the information to these doc's.

I have a follow-up appt. to see the neuro (professor) from several months ago in February. I had considered cancelling it. I changed my mind and now look forward to the opportunity to show him the vast improvements I have made on the protocol found here. Maybe the word can spread there as it would help so many individuals who are suffering needlessly and destroying their bodies with poison in attemping a 'cure'.

I am still in amazement that such a simple treatment is giving me so much relief and improvement. I look forward to each course of antibiotics, feeling like crap for a bit only to have further improvement! Find a doc who will support "YOU" in this endeavor and treatment protocol.

Caroline

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Macy (---.houston.rr.com)
Date:   01-12-03 10:59

Thanks Caroline. All 2 cents are worthy and welcomed.

How were you diagnosed and what antibiotics are you on?

I will do almost anything to get diagnosed and treated. On another forum, seemingly many of them have had the revolving door doctors also.

I keep thinkging that perhaps docs do not want to tell someone bad news. But Sarcoid is a very treatable condition and not a death sentence if the doc knows what he is doing and keeps up with the latest info.

For being a reknown Medical Center City here.....I wonder.............................

Thanks again and Best of Luck on your treatment.

Macy

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: janneke (---.sympatico.ca)
Date:   01-14-03 18:24

Please I hope that somebody can help me with the name and phone number of a good DR. in Toronto or north of the Toronto area.
I need a MD whom has experience with sarcoid and also believes in natural remedies. I am also looking for a lung specialist whom is more open in taking other remedies than prednisone. Please help me with this search.
Thanks

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   01-14-03 18:30

Janneke,
IMO, you will not find a pulmonologist who is open to new ideas. I only know one, and she is not based in Toronto.

What do you need a pulmonologist for, anyway? This disease will be throughout your body, and looking after the liver, kidneys, heart, and brain are in many cases more important than the lungs.

Work with Doc to get your D-metabolites tested and then you can better evaluate which specialists you might need.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: siddharth kumar (61.11.31.---)
Date:   01-18-03 02:11

hi!sir,
i want to know about sarcoidosis in detail.its a story of my uncle.in 2001 he got bloodish vometing.doc. told its a case of TB,and started the treatment.but there was no improvement. another doc told it as peptic ulser and started treatment for that.but his condition was gone bad to worse.he got a seviour pain on his thigh.he was decided to go to appollo hospital(india).there he was diagnosed as TB in bone and granulomatous hepetitis.he started treatment for that.the condition of uncle became better gradually but the LFT test was not satisfactory the SGOT &SGPT
AND ESR was very high.the doc took so many tests after that he conclude it as a case of sarcoidosis .and started treatment for this.he used wysolone(staroid) with 40mg daily.then ESR camedown .in oct 2002 ESR became 20 but in jan 2003 it again rise upto 55 and SGOT and SGPT is also very high.doc says that it will take long time.may be six months/a year/and may be for long /life time.this time wysolone dose in 10mg daily.
kindly sugest is the treatment is going in right direction?doc. is using salcalOS 500mg and two more vitamin tab to counter the side effect of staroid.what is the actual medicine for sarc.?
please reply me in detail,for this i will always be oblised to u.
THANK U!
my id is-jha_sidh@yahoo.co.in

Admin note: I will respond to Siddarth by email

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Catherine (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
Date:   01-18-03 07:13

I have been seeing a wonderful Dr , a rheumatologist. in northern California who specializes in sarcoidosis. However, when I called to speak with her about ordering the Vitamin D tests and prescribing Minocin she essentially told me not to find solutions on the internet and to find another doctor if I wanted another type of treatment. I was shocked and disappointed because I really respected this person and she had helped me through so many relapses and flare-ups. Very frustrating !!!!!!

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.244.147.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-18-03 08:19

Dear Catherine,

I'm sorry that your trusted doctor has disappointed you. You may need to change the criteria you use to evaluate your doctors competence. Sarcoidosis has become the realm of a few specialists and the treatment has not changed for a long time despite it's relative ineffectiveness and often dire consequences. Your doctor may have helped you cope with your sarcoidosis symptoms in the past but now you need her help to actually control this disease.

With our emerging knowledge of sarcoidosis etiology and new treatments that are safe and effective, we as patients are in the awkward position of educating physicians who now must share their power. Whether doctors like it or not, the Internet is here to stay and people will continue to use it to educate themselves. IMO, If your doctor is unwilling to avail herself of that same education then you are working with an ineffective member of your health care team.

If you decide that you need a doctor who is more receptive to quality information even if it comes from the Internet, I hope you will tell your present doctor why you are terminating the relationship. It is in your best interests to find a physician who will listen to you and treat you as an intelligent partner. Since you've found this site, absorbed all this information and deemed it valuable, I feel confident you will persist until you get the treatment that will make you well.

Best wishes,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   01-18-03 08:22

Catherine,

I know it grieves you that you have lost your doctor, and I am sorry with you. It's sad to lose those long relationships.

On the other hand, whether
that doctor believed you were so sick you couldn't get well, or
that doctor believed doctors already understood everything about sarcoidosis, or
that doctor simply wanted to continue treating flares and relapses,
and therefore didn't want to investigate the possibility you had high levels of a potent hormone (1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3) in your blood...
You are better off knowing the situation, and not wasting any time finding someone else.

You will find a doctor who will help you, and who respects you. It may take a while, but you can do it.

Belinda

PS I think Meg is correct.. I would let the doctor know why I decided to find someone else to manage my care.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   01-18-03 10:16

Catherine,
I wish I knew all the reasons why some specialists are so hostile to any talk about bacteria and 1,25-D in Sarcodosis.

Later this weekend I will be writing up a new Tutorial explaining how your Biopsy slides can be examined for signs of some species of this bacteria. Maybe, once the Docs start seeing pathology reports coming back positive, that will persuade them that they cannot win with this senseless hostility.

Your rheumy is not alone in his/her hostility. Hostility is also being shown at all levels of the pulmonology hierarchy, right up to the top of the "World Association of Sarcoidosis and Other Granulatomous Diseases (WASOG)"

I think there may be a guilt or liability complex driving the reaction. You see, bacterial pathogenesis has been shown for 20 years now, and Prednisone is enirely the wrong treatment for a bacterial infection - in the long run it makes things worse by allowing the bacteria to spread. So an admission that bacteria are involved is an admission that the profession made a terrible mistake since the early '80s and I think this is a problem for them.

Vitamin D is also suffering hostility, but from Doctors who hear the word "vitamin" and immediately brand you as a "health nut". You need to avoid these folks. This is not a healthy attitude. There has to be some reason why Univeristy of Califormia, Riverside has spent so much time researching 1,25-D, and it has nothing to do with nutition

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lynn (---.lsanca1.elnk.dsl.genuity)
Date:   01-31-03 15:35

This thread started as a call for doctors who have done well treating Sarcoidosis.

I do know of this other site has a listing of doctors that they have gotten from sarcoidosis patients. It may be a starting point.

Lynn

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   01-31-03 15:49

Lynn,
The moment I find a Doctor who has "done well" treating Sarcoidosis I will create a list and add him/her to it. We just are not at that point yet. Several of us here know how easy this disease is to put into remission. To us the efforts of the 'experts' on the "Sarcoidosis Online Sites" list appear futile at best, downright dangerous, at worst.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.244.147.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-31-03 16:13

Lynn,

I appreciate your efforts to help others find a knowledgeable doctor, but IMO the list you mentioned is not the answer. I used that list, saw a pulmonologist at the top medical facility in the country, spent $300 for the privilege of 15 minutes of his company and got no help. In contrast, my local PCP, a humble internist with lots of general experience, saw the validity in Dr. Marshall's theory and treatment and agreed to help me. You may draw your own conclusions.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   01-31-03 16:24

Hey, Meg,
The obvious conclusion for Lynn to draw is that I am in cahoots with your PCP

Lynn, I am sorry I am so sensitive on this issue. But, based on the postings of folks on this (and other) message boards, I just cannot feel that I want to take the responsibility of sending folks along to someone who will offer a course of MTX, Cycolospirine, Remicade or Thalidomide, none of which have induced remission, and all of which are reported as doing harm.

I am sure we will get together a list of effective Docs eventually, it is just going to take time.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline (---.win.org)
Date:   01-31-03 21:55

Hi Lynn,
As I read Meg's response, I could have wrote it!

I too went to one of the pulmonary physicians on the list as a 'sarcoidosis specialist'. She practiced under the umbrella of a major teachng hospital. I worsened on the methotrexate prescribed jointly by her and a neurologist in the same office. When I spoke of antibiotics the second time and presented documents, she walked out on me. She folded her file, stood up, and left my husband and I sitting in the exam room.

I thought only a specialist would do; I went full circle and have had numerous docs. My PCP who I started with is caring and compassionate. He took the time to read the manuscripts. Although he initially prescribed minocycline with guarded optimism, he was so impressed at the follow up visit he also prescribed benicar at the recommended dose, then fought for me when my insurance company balked at the dose.

Caroline

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.244.147.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   02-01-03 07:40

Let's hear it for the unsung PCPs! Mine just spent valuable time writing a letter of medical necessity and then calling my insurance company to get coverage for Benicar at the higher-than-usual dosage. And all this without an office visit.

There ARE wonderful doctors out there (and some are specialists) who will listen with an open mind and see the value in a treatment plan that although unproven by clinical study is safe and likely to be effective.

If you haven't found such a physician yet, please keep looking.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: ticy (---.ev1.net)
Date:   08-26-03 19:17

Hi everyone, my mother is in houston, and the doctor have told her that she has sarcoidosis, never heard of it before in our life, she never been in the hospital her 67 years of living, she is still living, thank god. Was at work one day and pass out at work, went to the hospital the doctor at diagnose told that she had asthma, never smoke a day in her life.

one day we took her to other doctor who did alot of taste on her and told her that she had the disease, now she is on oxygen 24 hours a day, taking alot of medicine, can not work, can not walk from the bed to the bedroom door without being out of of breath, lost a lot of weight, have to eat special food, can not cook with spices, have spots on the bottom of her foot, and in her head, behing her ears. name it she got it.

Okay, the reason why i am on her is to see if anyone knows a specialist that deal with that disease in houston, know don't get me wrong her doctor is damn good, it just that we want a doctor who knows more about this disease.

please email me if you have any question about the disease or if you know anyone who can be of any help.

i am hear for you, just email me and i will try to do my best in helping you, just put in the subject line sarcoidosis and i will email you back right away.

take care, and remember god will not put more on you than you can bear.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.239.198.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   08-26-03 21:57

Hi ticy,

Welcome to SarcInfo. The email addresses on this site are hidden for privacy and we don't have recommendations for specific physicians. A sarcoidosis 'expert' will not necessarily be the doctor who will help your mother get well.

Please spend some time reading the patient tutorials and physician papers at the top of the page, the links to articles at the bottom of the page and the topic messages (threads), especially those that are starred.

There is also a search feature on the site where you can type in words and find specific intormation. Be sure to click on 'all dates' so you will get the most complete search.

If a phrase is written in bold type in a message, you can click on it to automatically get more information. Then press your back button to return to the text.

You may need a medical dictionary (you can find one online) for some of the papers but I hope you can get the basic idea of Trevor's description of sarcoidosis etiology and treatment. Then you can look for a doctor who is willing to help your mother with this protocol.

Let us know if you have any specific questions.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Michelle (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date:   09-12-03 23:03

Hello everyone, I am new to this site I had received some information from Meg,Due to me posting a question on another site concerning sarcoid,I have truly found this particular site to be interesting. Wow reading some of the informatin just blew me away the eye problems,the dizziness. shortness of breath, ankle and foot swelling, tiredness. memory loss. ( my Husband, I don't think really really belived me .when I was telling him my symptoms. other than the swelling part. then he became concerned when could breath, ) But anyway I have had sarcoid since 1999 manifesting in my left eye,I was just told I have developed plumonary hypertenson.My question is I am looking for a doctor in the east bay area ( California) San Francisco,Oakland Walnut creek.ect. I am seeing a Plumonologist in San Leandro Ca. at this time. I guess I am looking for an Internist. I did see a doctor who told me the symptoms were all in my head my OBGYN said oh don't worry you are just going throught the change of life. So can somebody help me out.
thanks.
Michelle

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   09-12-03 23:24

Michelle,
Your husband might feel more comfortable after chatting with some of the members of the National Sarcoidosis Society, San Francisco Chapter. Kathy Griffin is the coordinator. You can contact her at 415-885-1923. The chapter holds monthly meetings in downtown San Francisco.

I think everyone else there is also looking for a good doctor but at least you will be able to compare notes.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Brenda Cox (---.triad.rr.com)
Date:   09-17-03 23:33

Could you give me the name of a doctor in the Greensboro/ High Point/Winston-Salem, NC area that treats sarcoidosis?

Your help is greatly appreciated.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Jim Sellers (167.106.254.---)
Date:   09-18-03 04:35

Brenda,

I am located in the area. Please email me directly.

Jim

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: b.schneider (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   10-07-03 17:10

could someone tell me if there is a sarcoidosis specialist in pittsburgh.pa.
desperate!

thank you

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.75.185.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   10-07-03 17:46

Hi b.,

Welcome to SarcInfo. I'm sorry that you are desperate. Perhaps someone here knows of a supportive doctor in your area. Unfortunately, it's not usually that simple. The ARB and antibiotic treatment you will read about here is in its infancy. In the world of modern medicine that means most specialists will reject it outright despite its success. Many of us have had to ask more than one doctor and most of us have found our primary care physicians to be the likeliest to help us with this safe therapy.

SarcInfo is not simply "a website". It was created to conduct an Internet-based observational-clinical-trial of therapies which can cure sarcoidosis.
Many of the patients in the SarcInfo cohort are Health Care workers (Physicians, Nurses and ex-Nurses). Therapy is prescribed and monitored by the patients’ personal physicians.

Please spend some time reading the patient tutorials and physician papers at the top of the page, the links to articles at the bottom of the page and the topic messages (threads), especially those that are starred.

There is also a search feature on the site where you can type in words and find specific intormation. Be sure to click on 'all dates' so you will get the most complete search.

If a phrase is written in bold type in a message, you can click on it to automatically get more information. Then press your back button to return to the text.

You may need a medical dictionary (you can find one online) for some of the papers but I hope you can get the basic idea of Trevor's description of sarcoidosis etiology and treatment. Let us know if you have any more questions.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Demetria Trent (---.hiusa.org)
Date:   10-21-03 08:01

I have been diagnosed with sarcoidosis when tumors in my tear ducts turned out to be sarcoid. I really need to see a specialist, do you know if any in the Washington, DC metro area?

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Karen (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   10-21-03 08:18

Janneke,

I live north of Toronto, and have found a young lady doctor who has read all Trevor's papers, and is willing to let me give the minomycin treatment a try. I am seeing her again next week, as she first wants to run some bloods. I have exhausted many avenues, and she is the first one who would even consider it. The others simply threw my print - outs in the garbage or refused to even look at them, including my pulmonologist, who is apparently one of the top ones in the city. I am also working with a wonderful homeopath, who also sees the absolute sense of Trevor's work. I see him again on Nov 3, when he will have read the entire website. He is a brilliant man and very open - minded.

Perhaps the two of us could be the Toronto guinea pigs and allow this young doctor to treat and follow both of us for the next year or so?

Contact me at jarnico_6@..... and we can take it from there and hopefully also help other sarc patients in the GTA.

Karen.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.75.185.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   10-21-03 16:37

Demetria,

Sarcoidosis is so rare that it has been common to seek treatment from a specialist. Usually this is a pulmonologist because they have taken a greater interest in this disease. But as your situation points out, sarcoidosis can affect any part of the body. Some opthalmologists have had experience in treating sarcoidosis but very few specialists are using safe, effective antibiotics and ARBs. They seem particularly determined to continue using steroids and other immunosuppressants despite their lack of success. If you want to put your sarcoidosis into remission you simply need to find an open-minded, progressive doctor who is willing to learn something new. That might be any specialist or it could be your lowly general practitioner. Most of us have had the best luck with a doctor of Internal Medicine because they seem to look at the entire body and are not mired in preconceived, out-dated ideas about sarcoidosis. I suggest that you start with the doctor who knows you best and see if he/she is willing to read the Papers for Physicians from this site.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Karen (---.cpe.net.cable.roger)
Date:   10-22-03 14:44

Today, I saw a TOP liver specialist, the best in the city, I hear. I tried to discuss the protocol, but was quickly dismissed.
My mildly raised liver enzymes do not show the sarc pattern, I was told, and although it was conceeded that I do in fact have sarcoidosis in my lungs and had it in the now- removed spleen, I probably just have a fatty liver, need to lose 5 kgs ( I weigh 57KGS and am 5' 2" tall ( about 129lbs)) and my enzymes will be back to normal and my family dr can follow them. (!!)I was told that asmyptomatic patients should not be putting drugs with potentially dangerous side - effects into their bodies.He proceeded to list the side effects of the drug. When I stated that mino is far safer than the pred that drs so happily treat patients with, he did not answer. He felt that any protocol worth its oats would have been given the recognition it deserves, that there has not been enough research done on this, or enough control groups over time to warrant the treatment. He told me that he is not a sarc specialist, though and should go back to the pulm, who also would not even give my printed -up papers a glance.

So there you have it. Another dr to scratch off the list. Next to the infectious disease fellow at the end of November. Wonder what he will have to add?

It appears that only primary physicians will consider the protocol, and they are scared of the reaction of the specialists.

Is it only in Canada, or are sarc patients in other places also struggling to get the treatment?

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   10-22-03 14:54

Karen,
It is so frustrating that some folks just get bounced from Doctor to Doctor.

Here is a paper which I came across just today, "Tetracyclines Safely Reduce Disease Activity Particularly in Patients with Early Rheumatoid Arthritis"

Maybe you could give the Docs who published this study (University of Toronto and Toronto Western Hospital) a call and see if they are also paranoid about safety issues (their paper said just the opposite)

..Trevor..
ps: This is not just a problem Canada, it is a problem worldwide, less so in the USA for those whose medical benefits allow them to sack Doctors without recriminations or inconvenience.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: katharine crowder (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   11-17-03 23:04

WHAT DREW ME HERE TONIGHT FOR THE 1ST TIME...WAS WHY AND WHAT (IF I ONLY KNEW!!) HAS TAKEN MY EVERYTHING FROM ME--I HAVE ZERO ENERGY,SHORTNESS OF BREATH,IM RETREATING WITHIN MYSELF/DRAWING AWAY FROM OTHERS.... SARCOID WAS VERIFIED IN 1993-I WENT ON STEROIDS-BUT FELT WORSE AND GAINED ALOT OF WEIGHT...EVERY YEAR I'VE HAD MY FOLLOW UP'S AS SCHEDULED W/PULMONARY DOC HERE AT STANFORD HOSPITAL..

1997 BROUGHT MORE HEALTH PROBLEMS---FOUND I HAVE HEP C... MY DOC'S WILL NOT TREAT MY HEP C DUE TO THE SARCOID.... INTERFERON IS NOT RECOMMENDED....SO I WENT UNTREATED WITH BOTH SARCOID AND HEP C...MY BLOOD IS INFECTED WITH A VERY RARE TYPE OF HEP C--ACTUALLY MY DOC'S ASKED ME AFTER THE 1ST ROUND OF TEST'S, IF I HAD BEEN WITH WITH ANYONE WHO HAD SPENT TIME IN THE MIDDLE EAST ??????? WHERE WHEN WHY AND HOW DID I CONTACT HEP C----WHO KNOW'S...

JULY OF THIS YEAR(2003) CANCER WAS FOUND(VULVAR) RADICAL REMOVAL WAS NEC. WHILE MY DOC WAS AT IT--REMOVING LYMPH NODES ON BOTH SIDES OF PELVIC DUE TO CANCER FOUND THERE TOO--- HE FOUND AND REMOVED SARCOID IN PELVIC..

I THINK THE 3 WKS IN THE HOSPITAL I SPENT AFTER CANCER SURGERY I MUST HAVE EXPLAINED 100 TIMES WHAT SARCOID IS.... AND 200 TIMES HAVING TO SPELL SARCOID.... IT STILL IS A MYSTERY TO MANY -

I DO WISH YOU ALL THE BEST OF HEALTH... HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH--YOUR IN CHARGE OF YOUR BODY. IT IS YOUR JOB TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS THAN EVER...FIND OUT EVERYTHING.... I DROVE AND CONTINUE TO DRIVE THEM NUT'S
HECK WERE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER....

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   11-18-03 05:49

Katharine,
Although there is a relatively higher rate of cancer diagnosis in sarcoidosis patients than in the general population, the two diseases are actually reasonably biochemically exclusive. The high values of the hormone 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin-D which are generated by sarc inflammation generally activate the immune system to be able to fight emerging cancer cells rather well.

There is a thread about the issue of misdiagnosis of cancer in sarcoidosis at this link

Personally, it is my opinion that two things are responsible for incorrect cancer diagnoses which later turn out to be questionably sarcoidosis
1. The tendency of oncologists to "be on the safe side" (which means, always assume a growth is malignant until definitely proven otherwise)
2. The incorrect notion held by some oncologists that cancer therapy will help a patient recover from sarcoidosis

Always ask Doc to give you a copy of the pathologist's report and ask him/her to explain what it means. Remember the key words are "T-cell" (sarc) and "B-Cell" (possibly malignant) "masses". I have also seen the term "thymal mass" used as a euphemism for sarc inflammation.

Remember - unless the pathologist has stained the tissue to differentiate T-cell masses from B-cell masses (make sure your primary Doc puts that in the biopsy pathology request) then you may be forced to endure uneccessary worrying, and endure chemotherapy which can leave your sarcoidosis worse than when you started out.

..Trevor..
ps: I am not an expert in these issues. Make sure you ask your oncologist to explain the above issues to you in detail - he/she is being paid to do that job, and it is your responsibility to make sure they do their job properly...

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lynne (---.sum.net)
Date:   11-20-03 07:05


I just read a paper on PubMed about Enbrel. My son's girlfriend is currently using this. It costs thousands of dollars a month. She's sixteen and has had psoriatic arthritis for six years.

This poor baby has to give herself shots. She hates it. It's making her feel better BUT at what risk?? They've already been through the prednisone and methotrexate experiments without much benefit. Her parents haven't any medical background, but do have good health insurance (good thing, huh).

I feel so frustrated. As "Dr." Lynne (me) limits her practice to one patient (me!) I can't help her.

Bill, if you or anyone else has any experience with a doctor in Central Florida using Trevor's protocol, I would like his/her name.

Thanks, Lynne.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: paula (---.monarch.net)
Date:   01-20-04 00:00

Hi fellow sarcoid diagnosed people:
I went through quite alot prior to and following my diagnosis of sarcoidosis. It was found on a chest xray. in my chest cavity. the llymph glands were grossly enlarged. the doctor actually told me it was probably "Hodgkins Lymohoma" (the same thing Mario Lemeaux was diagnosed with ...and he is now back playing hockey).
I ended up getting a medialoscopy ( a slit made at the top of your neck in the middle from left to right, they entered my chest cavity and removed two biopses at that time. two days later I was told I did not have cancer but I did have pulmonary sarcoidosis.
I was immediately put on Prednesone 40mg...all that did was make me into the incredible expanding Marshmallow woman from the old ghost buster movie. I was weaned off of that rather quickly. the next route of treatment was Methotrexate . During the short time of coming off of the prednesone and going on to the methotrexate, the sarcoid spread into my skin,(large purple ulcers), into my joints (causing a great deal of arthritic like pain. And now I am having a great deal of trouble getting sleep at night.
I am sorry...I don't mean to scare anyone,,, not everyone will have all of the symptoms. Some of the symptoms I have read through out the internet are very scary and I am glad I can deal with my symptoms.
I just wanted those of you from Western Canada, to know that there is a very fine specialist in Lethbridge Alberta by the name of Dr. Eric Wilde. He takes the tiime to answer all of your questions and is very thorough. His bedside manner is another one of his assets. He is a very compassionate doctor taking into account that we are dealing with a disease that no one knows a great deal about.
My biggest problem is trying to keep the insurance companies help us to pay our debts. And to continue receiving some disability monies from our government. This is all due to the fact that this disease is rarely seen by doctors.
This is a scary disease, and I am finding that out day by day with alot of waiting for other symptoms to arise. I thank you for your strength in writing in to this site and I encourage all of you to ensure yourselves that" NO", we women are NOT going through MENOPAUSE, nor is it IN OUR HEADS.
I do pray that someone will find out the reason for this horrible disease and be able to find a cure so no one else has to go through what each of us have to go through every day
Until we all get through this, I wish everyone all the best and that your all in my prayers. Try to be happy, put a smile on those beautiful and handsome faces and live one day at a timel That is all we can do. Our Lord Jesus Christ has promised he will only allow us trials we can get through and when we feel we can no longer go it alone...He lifts us up into His arms and carries us through those rough times.. God Bless and Keep on Smiling !!!

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-20-04 06:35

Hi Paula,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Thanks for sharing your story. It is all too familiar but we no longer fear Sarcoidosis. You've found that the standard treatments don't work. But you don't just have to deal with your sympoms. You can get rid of them.

I hope you will take the time to read the information on this website. Dr. Trevor Marshall knows a great deal about this disease. We know the reason-bacteria and how to cure it-Benicar and antibiotics.

Instead of spending your precious energy on gettting disability, please educate yourself about sarcoidosis via SarcInfo and share your knowledge with Dr. Wilde. You can put your sarcoidosis into remission with the Marshall protocol.

Please tell your doctor that SarcInfo is not 'just a website'. It was created to conduct an Internet-based observational-clinical-trial of therapies which can cure sarcoidosis.

Many of the patients in the SarcInfo cohort are health care workers- Doctors, Nurses and ex-Nurses. Therapy is prescribed and monitored by the patients’ personal physicians. There are over a hundred patients on the Marshall protocol now and most are showing dramatic improvement without further risk to their health.

After you've read the patient tutorials and the starred threads, let us know if you have any questions.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: brendan (---.mcbone.net)
Date:   01-28-04 08:03

I am looking for a doctor in Germany that is willing to treat sarciodosis stage 2 with minocycline. Can anyone PLEASE HELP me. Every doctor I have spoken to has told me it is imperitive that I take steroids to pervent from going into stage 3.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   01-28-04 15:47

Hi Brendan,

There are no doctors from Germany on my list. Perhaps someone else can help you. I will send you an email about steroids and their lack of effectiveness. Maybe this information will persuade one of your doctors.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   01-28-04 16:44

Brendan,
Not all Doctors in Germany believe Prednisone is the way to go. I know of a Doctor in Hameln who is currently prescribing both Olmetec and Antibiotics to a sarc patient. Unfortunately I cannot break confidence with the patient and reveal the Doctor's name.

Additionally, Dr Friedrich Flachsbart, of Gottingen, although I think he is retired now, has been very vocal in support of our work, having given several favorable peer reviews.

I am just trying to show you that the doctors are out there, even if they are hard to find. Keep looking, you will find one.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: kelly (---.try.wideopenwest.com)
Date:   02-08-04 05:24

I have written previuosly, and first would like to thank everyone for quick responses and thorough help. I just had my follow up with my doctor (I am newly diagnosed, and am being treated with prednisone and now he wants me to take naproxen as well) . When I presented the Vitamin d level questions and such, he basically told me that they had no link whatsoever to sarc, adn not too worry about it. Then he asked me if I would like a supplement to help with my bones(the exact opposite of the point I was trying to get acroos!), which I denied of course. I also asked him about my chest X-ray that he took in Decmeber in which he diagnosed me with Sarc due tio the inflammation of my lymphnodes in my chest, among my other side effects. Well, I asked him what the radiologist made of it, since he never offered the info, and he said that the radiologist said that it didn't look like my lymphnodes to him, that it looked like an enlarged pulminary artery. Which he shrugged off as nothing to worry about and said that they agree to disagree, adn changed the subject without offereing to find out what it really was. My lupus tests came back posititve both times with low levels, but he said that they were probably affected by the sarc. Obviuosly, I need a new doctor, I just hope you all can offer up some advice and point me in the right direction. I live in Michigan, near metro Detroit. Thank you. Kelly

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   02-08-04 08:52

Kelly,

I'll email you a list of doctors in Michigan. I would also suggest that you routinely request all your medical records so you can see for yourself what the reports said and what your doctor has dictated.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Mark (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   03-10-04 16:17

Trevor-

Just a quick note to report that my primary physician is currently reading up on your sarc reports before we begin your protocol. I really didn't get a positive impression from him at my appointment though, especially when he brought up the "P" word, suggested we try Pred. I told him no way, not again, not ever. My previous dermatologist prescribed Pred. and my skin lesions vanished, that is, until I stopped the treatment. The sarc lesions popped right back out, which is exactly what my dermatologist predicted. The cure was indeed worse than the disease with that drug, I'm so glad it's a no no for people with sarcoidosis.

My primary doctor is young, new to the profession, new to me since my original family physician of 25 years retired recently. I know my new doc will see the light once he reads the reports, and I'm sure he will read every one. I even mentioned that he could contact you by phone if he so desired. Besides, if push comes to shove, I'll shove and take control of the situation even if it means finding a new doc. Just in case, any docs in the West Michigan area using your protocol?

Trevor, I've learned so much from this site. You and your associates have helped many people, educating them and me as to the proper and logical treatment of this disease. You are indeed the "sarcotic mesiah" we've all been looking for.

Thanks so much,

Mark

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-10-04 19:38

Mark,

I like your determined attitude. I've sent you a copy of the guideline to starting the Marshall Procotol to share with your new doctor. And in case your arguments are persuasive enough, I'll send you a list of possible doctors in Michigan.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ann (---.maine.rr.com)
Date:   04-17-04 11:28

Hi,

Do you know of any Physicians in the Portland, Maine area who have
been open to your protocol and if so who?

Thanks,
Mary

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   04-17-04 14:45

Mary,

I've emailed you the list of RA doctors who have experience using minocycline. I hope one of them works out for you.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Cindy (---.cvx9-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net)
Date:   04-21-04 09:39

Hi all
Just a note to let you all know that my doctor here in Long Beach California will not take me off the prednisone, he believes that is the best thing for me, he would not even read about the Marshall therapy. I have been on the pred. for 3 weeks, it has not releived any aching in my knees at all, I have gained weight big time, I am very emotional, I have constant headaches now my right eye feels like it is going to explode. I am trying to find a new doctor who will get me off this predinsone and try the Marshall therapy. He keeps telling me to be patient and it will take effect soon. I think after 3 weeks it should be giving me some relief? I know you don't have a list of Doctors but if anyone knows one in or around Southern California I would appreciate any suggestions. Is it part of Sarc that the bottom of my feet hurt?
Thanks.
Cindy

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   04-21-04 10:51

Cindy,

Yes, my feet hurt when I was suffering with sarcoidosis. It used to feel like I was "walking barefoot on rocks," no matter what type of shoes I wore. That symptom went away while I was on the Marshall Protocol.

I am sorry your doctor believes that prednisone is the best thing for you. I know that is a tough argument to take on with a physician. Unfortunately, it is the patient alone who must suffer the side effects and experience weaning down (withdrawal) from that drug.

Many patients have shared their own stories about weaning off of prednisone on this website. You can find them by using the search engine at the top of the page. You might want to read about how to find a doctor open to new research.

Belinda

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   04-21-04 13:10

Cindy,

I'll email you a list of doctors in California who may be receptive to the Marshall Protocol.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Carolyn Inabinet (---.ph.ph.cox.net)
Date:   05-11-04 14:31

Meg:

Can you email me a list of doctors in California (or Arizona) who use the Marshall Protocol? I am new to the forum and the information about Viatmin D metabolites.

Thank you
Carolyn Inabinet

Meg's note: Carolyn, check your email inbox.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Chris (---.att.com)
Date:   05-26-04 13:45

The good news is that I found a Dr (From the RA list) that
will give minocycline. He also gave me a Benicar
prescription, but only for 40mg/day. He's worried that
I'm going to keel over from too low blood pressure.

I saw the graph on how the blood pressure reduction
tails off at higher dose, can I get a reference to where
the graph or data comes from to help convince the Dr?

I'll be in his office for a blood pressure check on Friday.

Any suggestions on what arguments are convincing
would be appreciated.

Chris

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   05-26-04 15:12

Chris,
The FDA prescibing instructions for Benicar has a similar graph. You can find it on the FDA website at URL
http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2002/21286lbl.pdf

You might need to install the Adobe Acrobat reader to read the FDA document. The reader is free, and you can download it from
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lisa (---.computan.on.ca)
Date:   05-26-04 17:18

Trevor/Meg/Belinda,
I go to see my Family doc. tomorrow and am nervous just thinking about it! He has had all the MP info. for about 3 weeks now and I'm hoping he's read it! My concern is that he'll say: "the summary from the respirologist says that your chest xray is better(normal) now and your PFT's are practically normal now and your d.metabolites are normal so how can I justify treating you with this".

(you may remember I had a biopsy proven sarc. Did the pred. then MTX route. On no meds now)

HELP!! How can I convince him that the sarcoid must still be active since I have awful neck pain and headaches and dizziness. If he dare says (like the other 2 respirologists) "well they're constitutional symptoms" I'm afraid I might want to knock him off his chair! The thing is, I've noticed that a lot of your info gauges improvement and a move towards cure by you CXR's, PFT's and bloodwork. All of that stuff for me is now normal. ???? The 'D' bloodwork was frozen (I checked) and my ACE and calcium has always been normal. But, I feel lousy and they don't seem to care about that. What to do/say??

Any last minute advise would be appreciated,

thanks,
(nail-biting) Lisa

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.240.36.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   05-26-04 20:28

Lisa,

Hopefully, your family doctor will acknowledge your pain even if it is not easily diagnosed. Don't be afraid to emphasize each symptom and how it impacts your life. A written list might help. My doctor responded when I told her that I thought I'd have to retire early due to the debilitating fatigue.

Ask for a therapeutic probe with at least the minocycline. Even better would be Benicar at the recommeneded dosage but that may not be realistic giving Canadian doctors propensity to prescribe 'by the book'. Assure doc that you will carefully document symptom progression with the therapeutic probe so that you will know if it is working.

Having your husband with you to verify your symptoms and apply pressure to help you might work. Remind doc that there are no studies demonstrating sarcoidosis remission with the treatments you had. With your biopsied diagnosis, even though your tests are improved, your symptoms indicate continued inflammation.

Reiterate that this Protocol is safe and is working for many with Th1 autoimmune diseases; patients with symptoms like yours. And if reason fails, a few tears might do the trick.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lisa (---.computan.on.ca)
Date:   05-27-04 04:11

Thanks Meg. The Probe is a great idea and I hope that at the very least he will do that for me.

Lisa

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Chris (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   05-29-04 18:44

Thank you Meg & Trevor,

I went to the Dr armed with the various reports. I've now got a prescription for 80mg/day, and a promise to review in a few weeks to see where the blood levels are. The reports helped, he said that since I appeared to know the risks I was undertaking, he would ok the Benicar.

The protocol says to start the benicar before the minocycline. How important is this? I got and started the mincycline before the benicar. It worked if I took the 20mg tablet, but only for a few hours starting about 1 hour after ingestion. Taking in 10mg half-tablets didn't work well at all.

Other than that, I'd like to report that even at 40mg, I had some hours when the sand-in-the-gears aches and mental fog were gone. It was great! My only regret is that the time was at work. I was looking forward to the weekend, but it seems my wife has brought home and shared some bug from one of her pre-school students ....

Oh well, it's a good excuse for a lazy weekend.

Chris

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.240.36.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   05-29-04 19:31

Chris,

Good job getting the Benicar. It is important to get the full blockade in place before you resume the minocycline. Since you have 80mg/day of Benicar to work with, you can take 20mg every six hours. This should prove to your doctor that you won't have any ill effects due to hypotension. Asap, ask him to increase to the recommended dose of at least 40mg every eight hours (better is 40mg every six hours). Don't wait a few weeks to tell him that you are okay and need the higher dosage. A few days should be enough as Benicar does not have a cumulative effect.

After a week at the correct dosage, you can resume the minocycline. Start with 25mg every other day and ramp it up to 100mg every other day as your Herxheimer allows. You may be surprised to find that Benicar potentiates the effects of minocycline. This is why we recommend this cautious approach.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Pippit (---.aep.bellsouth.net)
Date:   05-30-04 15:39

Chris,

Ramping up in increments of 25 mgs. will ensure that your increase is gradual enough. Remember to wait for herx symptoms to go away (if possible) before moving to a higher dosage.

Regarding your doctor's hesitance to prescribe the full 40 mgs. of Benicar 3Xday, your doctor will be pleasantly surprised that this really will not hurt you and your body adjusts very quickly. My doctor was secretly concerned when he first gave it to me even though he didn't say anything until my most recent appointment, but he told me on Thursday that he was "amazed" and that "the Benicar company must love Trevor". Sometimes I take 40 mgs. every 4 hours and I'm still walking around.

If you're feeling better now, you'll feel even better once you have the optimum amount.

Keep working on your doctor. I made a believer out of mine.

Pippit

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Elizabeth (---.atlantic.net)
Date:   06-03-04 16:56

Hello sir
I visited my doctor today, he pretty much told me that he didnt really know much about Sarc and that I should try to find a Doctor that had more knowledge, although he didnt know anyone to recomend. I will always keep this dr as my GP but will start my search for someone in the know! I live in central Florida.... do you know any doctors in this state that might be learned in this area?
Thank you in advance

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.240.36.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   06-03-04 17:57

Elizabeth,

Prescribing the Marshall Protocol is well within the realm of any General Practitioner if he is willing to take the time to read the information from SarcInfo. Reassure him that he is capable and he might agree after all.

I will email you a list of RA docs in FL who might be willing to learn about sarcoidosis and are familiar with using minocycline. I will also send your address to an experienced Sarcinfo patient who lives in Florida.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: itiona (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   06-07-04 18:10

hello admin
I have been trying to send emails to you but have not gotten a response. can you please send me a email to confirm the transport of the mail thank
Thanks
future MP user!!

Dx sarc 5/04, Mp 7/04, currently on 5th month of stage 3 of mp,1,25 D=31.6, 25 hydroxy=10.4 wbc=3.8(low) sed rate=3

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   06-07-04 18:35

Itiona,

Trevor is swamped now, but if you have a question, you can post it here on the forum and one of the moderators will answer it shortly.

Belinda

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ann (---.maine.rr.com)
Date:   06-08-04 04:20

Hi,
Has anyone had any luck with any doctor at the lahey clinic in Boston?

Thanks,
Anne

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: KarenA (---.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net)
Date:   06-14-04 11:25

Meg, can you please send me the list of doctors in CA that are receptive to MP? Pretty sure I have sarc, but my doc does not want to order the tests. Have to wait until next month to change my PCP. Thanks so much.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.240.36.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   06-14-04 17:17

Hi Karen,

Welcome to SarcInfo. It sounds like you've been doing your own research. That's great. You many be able to avoid the invasive testing usually required to obtain a definitive diagnosis.

I've emailed you the list of CA doctors. There are a couple on it who are using the Marshall Protocol.

Please let us know how you get along.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Felicia (---.ma-cambridg0.sa.earthlink.net)
Date:   06-26-04 11:10

Does anyone know of a doctor in NC. I'm pretty much getting the run around, I had an abnormal Brain mri and lumbar punture 2 yrs ago I have crazy Ace levels, lots of eye problems, irritability, I feel sick all the time,lots of chest pain and back pain. I have asthma so my pulmologist thinks its asthma,I have taken all kinds of medicine but I only feel worse. My eye doctor says I possibily have sarcoidosis, but he can only treat my eyes, I am currently on pred-forte which is a topical steroid for the eyes. It helps a whole lot ,but the rest of my body is going haywire.........Please help me

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.240.36.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   06-26-04 15:35

Felicia,

I'll email you a list of doctors who may be more supportive.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   06-27-04 23:37

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Belinda
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Author: Nadine (cache-dtc-ae07.proxy.aol.com)
Date: 06-27-04 22:41

I have been treated for Sarcoidosis for the last four years during which I have been taking prednisolone except for a three month period. I have suffered from lung, eyes, skin and joint involvement.

I am currently being weaned from the prednisolone and I never want to take it again.

I would like to find a doctor in Southwest Virginia that is familiar with the Marshall Protocol. I had to change Pulmonolotists this year and it would be great to find one that would help me follow this plan.

My bronchoscopy was done at the University of Virginia Medical Center in 2000 by Pulmonologist Dr. Enlow. Are the University Medical Centers following this Protocol? I would be willing to travel there for treatment if necessary. It is a two hour drive.

Nadine

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.188.240.36.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   06-28-04 06:38

Hi Nadine,

Welcome to SarcInfo. I'm sorry your pulmonologist was unwilling to help you with something a lot safer and more effective than prednisone.

I'll send you a list of doctors in your area who might be more receptive. They are rheumatoligsts who have experience treating RA with minocycline. With your joint involvement, hopefully, one of them will be interested.

Let us know how you get along,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Jim (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   06-28-04 09:47

My doctorhas been very cooperative but is retiring and i may have to find a new doc to go along with the M/P in los angeies south bay area. any help?

Thanx
JimG

Jim, I'm e-mailing you some doctors names.

Pippit

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Patricia (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   07-01-04 11:08

DOCTORS in CENTRAL FLORIDA
Attn: LYNNE...(---.sum.net) and ELIZABETH (---.atlantic.net)

I, too, am looking for a doctor in CENTRAL FLORIDA who is familiar with the MP. From your messages on this list, it seems that each of you is too. Would anyone in CENTRAL FLORIDA who is LOOKING FOR A DOCTOR to use the MP, please contact me offlist ? Maybe together we can find someone.

pwcarterwp@

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-01-04 20:40

Dear Patricia,

Your email address has been hidden to protect your identity. If you would like to correspond with anyone here, just let me know and I will send them your email address.

There are doctors in Florida using the Marshall Protocol but none of them feel comfortable yet taking referrals. I will send you a list of rhuematologists who are experienced in treating RA with minocycline. One of them may be receptive to helping you.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   07-03-04 23:10

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Belinda
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Author: barbara schneider (c-67-163-254-59.client.comcast.net)
Date: 07-03-04 22:36

Does anyone know of a Doctor in PA, or Ohio following the MP?
Please email me direct - gamschneider@c..
I live in small town, no luck with Doctors.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-04-04 10:27

Barbara,

I sent you a list of doctors on May 19. Perhaps you didn't get it. I'll send it again. I live in a small town too. Don't discount small town doctors as a source to help you. A doctor needn't be a specialist to help you with the safe, simple Marshall Protocol. Most of us start by asking our PCP who knows us the best. Mine has been marvelously supportive when my specialists said no.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: John Brusie (---.com)
Date:   07-07-04 09:58

Meg,

I was just told that I have sarcoidosis last week...I live in the middle of Nebraska and traveled to Omaha for the biopsy and would like to know if there are any other docs that may be closer to me...I am in Kearney, NE.

Thanks for your help!
John

 
 Re: Doctors open to MP
Author: Jim (---.nrockv01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   07-07-04 12:10

Do you know of any Physicians in the Washington, D.C. metro area (including Bethesda, Maryland) who are open and understanding of the MP? My GP is a nervous nellie and won't prescribe anything that he didn't learn about back when he was in Med school. Says he doesn't want to lose his license. Could you email a list of enlightened doctors in my area?
Thanks for your time and wisdom,
...jim

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: anne r (---.bowie01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   07-07-04 17:50

I, too, am in the process of trying to settle on a doctor that will work with me - am also in the Washington Metro /Baltimore triangle. I saw my pulmonologist today after returning from a cruise - posted on other threads previously and hope this gets to Meg, Pippit, and Trevor - am still confused about the flow of messages when you post to more than one thread.

Trevor, my doctor, Dr. Jacobs, said that he spoke with you. He left me a message after he spoke with you and prior to today's appt to say that he would administer the protocol as long as I was entering it with my eyes wide open. Today he said that he is very hesitant to administer it because he is not convinced that sarc is caused by bacteria, that the antibiotics are heavy duty over extended time and will drastically alter my system to the point of endangering any ability to fight any other infection/bug I could get. He said that a new dr is entering their practice on August 1 and he wants me to meet with him. He said that sarc is his specialty, that he has been studying it intensively , that he is also a research specialist in infectious diseases and that he should know about your protocol and the most recent discoveries in the cause/treatment of sarc. I agreed to meet with Dr. Park in August and did manage to get Dr Jacobs to write the order for the C-Reactive Protein and Vitamin D Panel. I gave him and his assistant the directions from this website for Quest labs. She cross referenced it in her book and wrote down "Vit D Panel" on the order. Is this the proper term to use for the test to get it done properly?
Dr Jacobs said that my symptoms at this time do not warrant treatment. My fear is that not doing anything will just make things worse - I have been keeping out of the sun as much as possible and have noticed a significant change for the better in how I feel much of the time, but I am having those involuntary jerks - like the kind where you almost fall asleep and jerk yourself awake - about 10 times an hour - is worse when I am sitting down and not moving around. The fatigue is still disabling and is manageable only because I have a job with flex hours that enables me to re-schedule alot of the time and to leave the house later in the day 2 to 3 days a week. Also do office work from home. When I am working outside of the house, it is almost more than I can manage to stay on my feet, to use the metro system and walk several blocks, to keep going and get back to the car to drive an hour or more to the next appt. I am worried about being able to keep up the pace to keep my job and could not afford medications, etc without the health insurance. I am sure my situation is much like many of you and I apologize for dragging this message out so long. I am just trying to give you a clear picture of my situation.

I did not know how to answer Dr Jacobs question that if this disease is caused by bacteria, why do half of sarcoid patients get well without doing anything? And why , if your theory is correct, is it not documented in a real clinical trial in a controlled study? When I told him that I had read extensively on the website and had read of over 200 people who report vast improvement or complete remission on the protocol, he said that many of those people could have gotten better doing nothing, so there is no proof. He was much more sceptical than the last time I saw him when he said he would administer the mp if I was willing to do it knowing that the outcome was uncertain.

Do you suggest that I keep the appt in August with Dr Park, get the D Panel done in the meantime or should I be more proactive and find another dr. I do not know of any in the area and read that Dr Moller is not willing to do the protocol even though he admits that bacteria is the culprit.

Another question - I read your response to someone that diuretics are not good for sarc patients. I have taken HCTZ for years and the past year have taken lasix every 3rd day - my pc ordered the change when I was having some chest pains and breathing difficulties several months ago. Should I be taking benicar instead and will the benicar do any good without the antibiotics? When I don't take a diuretic, I swell up - eyes are swollen, ankles and legs swollen. Even with the lasix, my left ankle stays swollen. I elevate it as much as possible and keep it above my heart at night, but when I wake up it is still swollen and gets worse as the day progresses.
Thanks so much for your attention and help. This is one frustrating disease with many symptoms - not the same for anyone. My cousin whose sister died from sarcoidosis last year, said that her sister did not have granulomas in her chest - (I do - the chest and base of the neck), but she has them in her nerve endings and was in so much pain - she said the sarc destroyed the myalin sheaths around her nerves. She also said that several years of prednisone did nothing but make her worse. - that it reduced the pain and made everything else much worse. I saw her deterioriate over time with much suffering from the prednisone. Very scary.

Also - Dr Jacobs said that you were going to email him the "rest of the information", but he has not received it yet - said he would email you again. If you get a chance, please send it to him. Anything that might give him more reason to try the protocol would be appreciated.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-07-04 21:02

anne,

I wonder if your doctor was so tired that he could hardly walk 2 blocks and was worried about continuing to work, had to take diuretics to manage edema and found himself jerking many times an hour would consider himself well and not in need of treatment. The reason he is advising you to wait and watch is because he would prescribe prednisone as the first line of treatment. But, as you know, it is so toxic and ultimately ineffective, that doctors are reluctant to prescribe it until symptoms are unbearable. And this is what the sarcoidosis specialists call adequate treatment of a chronic, debilitating, progressive disease.

His attitude (and I expect the specialist's that he referred you to) is typical of the pulmonologists who have managed sarcoidosis for the past fifty years without success. I suppse it is only natural to be defensive about treatments you have been using and resistant to admitting you were wrong by trying something new.

Your doctor is wrong about "the antibiotics are heavy duty over extended time and will drastically alter my system to the point of endangering any ability to fight any other infection/bug I could get." We could not get away with making a statement like that without scientific proof, and neither should he. Minocycline is prescribed for years, at much higher doses, for conditions as benign as acne without ill effect. The other antibiotics are used low dose and for lengths of time that are proven safe. When compared with prednisone, the choice is a 'no-brainer'.

There is no clinical trial of the Marshall Protocol because doctors like him are doing everything they can to thwart our efforts to get funding for one. But we are still working hard to make that happen. We realize that doctors are trained to follow the lead of the medical establishment and many are unwilling to do the research to make decisions on their own. But the proof he is looking for may take many years and your condition will continue to deteriorate during that time. Specialists are apparently content with the current ineffective treatments because there are no plans to study the obvious course of action; treating the bacteria that have been found in the tissues of sarcoidosis patients.

His contention that half of sarcoidosis patients improve without treatment is without scientific basis. You should feel free to challenge him on this by asking him to provide evidence. He won't be able to. In fact, the biggest study in history, the ACCESS study, found that only 22% of patients showed any improvement in the first two years, even if they had been given prednisone, and in none did the disease go away on its own.

Many doctors are concerned about the long-term use of the thiazide diuretics. Lasix is a better choice. I suspect that your fluid retention will resolve with the MP.

I'll send you a list of doctors in your area who may be more open-minded and willing to learn new science than your current doctor. I urge you to persist in finding a doctor who will support you with the MP. Just the fact that you feel better by avoiding Vitamin D is evidence that is would work for you. Go ahead and get the D-panel done, since it is ordered. Be sure to instruct the lab personnel to freeze the 1,25-D sample immediately and guarantee it being frozen for shipment. The results will give your new doctor data to document your systemic inflammation and evidence that you need to begin the MP.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Trace Littlejohn (134.192.248.---)
Date:   07-08-04 13:53

I am 33 years old with sarcoid. My symtoms are loss of memory, weight loss,breathing is now under control, and now my skin is breaking out. I am not on any medication. I have been on prednisone for 7years. I took my self off because of the side effects. Could you E-Mail me back with some names of doctors that specialize in sarcoid.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: anne r (---.bowie01.md.comcast.net)
Date:   07-08-04 22:30

Thanks, Meg, for your reply. I will check out the list. And will send the D panel results as soon as I have them. When Trevor has a moment, would appreciate his comments on my post of 7-07. Thanks

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Pippit (---.asm.bellsouth.net)
Date:   07-09-04 00:42

Trace,

Welcome to Sarcinfo. Please read everything you can and print out the Papers for Physicians above to provide to a doctor. The protocol Phase I-first 3 months is included in that list. Reading through that will give you a full idea of what we're doing with these particular medications. You've come to the right place. Once you've done some reading let us know what City and State you live in and we will give you some names of doctors. There is alot to become familiar with but it's well worth it. Let us know if you have any questions.

Pippit

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-10-04 08:34

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Author: Dot (dsl-165.scktre.infoave.net)
Date: 07-10-04 08:22

I am not sure if I should be entering but if you are not suppose to I would like to know if there is a doctor in Charleston, SC. I live about an hour and 1/2 from Charleston. I am already using a lung dr in Charleston and would be very much interested in going to one. I am having so many problems and I was lst diagnosed in 1965 in Roper hospital.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-12-04 15:53

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Author: Lisa/Poohnut (user-v8o1ddr.dialup.mindspring.com)
Date: 07-12-04 13:58

Meg/Trevor,
I'm wanting to find a Doc in Missouri, around the Sprinfield, Joplin, KC area that will be open to the MP. I have contacted doctor after doc. I was given some names of some doc that looked as they would be good canidates however they have either retired or moved to another area. My reg MD is leaving her pratice in Sept. and doesn't feel she should start something she can't finish. My pumo doc is out of the country til the end of Sept. and has anotgher doc filling in for him. I called the office today to see if this doc would be open to MP, but was told the my Pumo doc had left specific orders for me and he can't change them unless in crisis. My reg. Pomo Doc stated that when he returned if my lung capacity of 23% hadn't changed on 40 mg of prednisone a day that he was going to start chemo.
This is when I go on the internet and started doing the research myself, I found this site. I want to begin the MP as soon as possible and feel that my Pumo doc will not be open to it. Please do you have any doc's in the area that have been doing it or that would be open to it. I have been on prednison for the most part of 10 yrs., I can't handle to much more of being told NO...I won't take NO for a answer..... I keep fighting but it is getting harder and harder all the time....running out of doc's to call. Please help.

Lisa

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-12-04 15:59

Dot,

Please let me know if someone has emailed you a list of doctors. I think your request may have been overlooked.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-12-04 18:37

Lisa,

I admire your persistance despite the limitations your illness puts on you. It takes a strong women to keep telling authority figures, "no, thank you, I've found a better way". There are doctors who will support you and we'll help you look until you find one. I'll send you my doctor list. You can also ask the folks on the yahoo marshallprotocol forum and someone may backchannel the name of a doc in your area.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Candace (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   07-14-04 05:12

Does anyone know a good sarcdoc in New Jersey? My father has sarc and his pulmonologist refuses to treat him with ab theapy.

Thanks.
Candace

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-14-04 14:24

Hi Candace,

Welcome to SarcInfo. We always suggest that patients first ask their current doctors to help them with the Marshall Protocol. Does your Dad have another doctor, perhaps an Internist, who knows him well that he could ask?

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Candace (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date:   07-15-04 11:13

Meg-
Thanks for replying to me. His internist just moved to Florida. He may call him and ask him about. I just thought that it would be easier to have someone here to monitor him on it (especially because he is currently on other blood pressure meds besides Benicar)

Candace

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-15-04 14:03

Candace,

Yes, your father needs a doctor nearby if possible. A doctor of Internal Medicine is recommended for someone his age and they have been more open-minded about the Marshall Protocol than the specialists. I'll also email you the list of RA docs in NJ who have used antibiotics. One may be receptive to helping your Dad with this simple protocol if you cannot find a local Internist.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: nancy selk (---.243.242.118.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.ne)
Date:   07-15-04 23:51

Given Meg's confirmation that my D-test results suggest that I am a likely candidate for the Marshall Protocol, I am looking for a doctor in the east-bay willing put me on it, order the drugs and otherwise make it available to me as soon as possible in view of my diagnoses of CFIDS, fibromyalgia and/or possible lyme disease.

My primary physician was willing to order the necessary D tests, but declined to be involved in the treatment which he said was too far outside his area of knowledge. The psychiatrist providing medical mangement likewise said it was not within his sphere of practice, and declined to oversee the protocol for me.

I will follow-up by looking at Bill's(?) site described at the head of this thread to see if he has posted list as he proposed to do; and will check with the National Sarcoidosis Society (SF) coordinator Kathy Griffin to see if she has any suggestions.

I would additionally appreciate it if you could send me the list of CA doctors potentially receptive to the protocol identified in the above e-mails, highlighting any that might belong to the Blue Shield ppo panel. As well as any other info that might aid me in my search for an MD who can start me on the Benicar asap.

Thank you.

Nancy

Please check your e-mail. The list should be waiting for you.

Pippit

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: CJ Waterhouse (---.dialsprint.net)
Date:   07-16-04 09:02

This is my 4th bout with sarcoid.

Seeing a new pulmonologist, due to change of insurance carrier.
I am having not-so-good feelings about him.

My ACE came back @ 114. He asked me what my normal ACE level had been in the past!!! I said...NORMAL ( UH- DUH!)

I had to ask if we were going to treat this as sarcoid. I just want to cry...

The thought of being on prednisone( 40 mg every other day) has me in a bad way...

Anyone who knows of a good Sarc Doc in Michigan, Please let me know. I have an HMO, so I have to be careful of who I see. I live between Lansing and Flint.

Thanks and God Bless
CJ

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Kris (---.sea1-4-5-125-241.sea1.dsl-verizon.net)
Date:   07-16-04 09:34

Does anyone know of any good Marshall Protocol familiar doctors in the Portland Oregon area?

Thanks,
Kris


Kris,

Please check your inbox.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-16-04 16:35

Hi CJ,

Welcome to SarcInfo. IMO, a good sarcoidosis doctor is one who will help you with the Marshall Protocol. There is no reason for you to accept treatment with prednisone. It is dangerous and ineffective. The MP will put your sarcoidosis into remission safely. We always recommend asking your Primary Care Provider (PCP) first. This doctor knows you best and the non-specialist doctors are usually more open to new treatment options. If you run into a dead-end with the doctors you already know, let us know and we send you a list of doctors in your area who might be supportive of the MP.

Let us know if you have any questions about the Marshall Protocol that are not answered in the patient tutorials, papers for physicians, links or starred threads on this site.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Mary (---.156.66.246.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net)
Date:   07-26-04 17:01

Hi
I'm learning a lot about this crazy disease. I know that
prednisone is not the cure. I've been on Prednisone for
4 months now. I'm slowly weaning off of it .
I gave a copy of the Marshall Protocol to my Pulmonary Doc.
He thinks it's all a gimmick. I disagree !!!!
Now I'm looking for a Doctor that is willing to try MP
in SE New England or Providence RI .
Thank you Mary God Bless

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lottie (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   07-26-04 17:19

Mary,

I think if anyone tries to tell you that MP is a gimmick, as them to explain what the SarcInfo people get out of it.

They're all on or have been on the MP, and are volunteers.

Lottie

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.115.72.119.static.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   07-26-04 21:56

Mary,

Welcome to SarcInfo. I'm glad you can see that your pulmonologist is judging something that he doesn't understand.

I'll send you a list of doctors who might be more supportive.

Let us know if you have any questions about the Marshall Protocol that are not answered in the patient tutorials, papers for physicians, links or starred threads on this site.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Nadine (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   07-28-04 16:23

Hello again,

I saw my Pulmonologist this week and had the doctor's papers all ready for him. He was very pleased and eager to read them. He said that he is familiar with the findings of bacterium in sarcoidosis but not this treatment.
Hopefully he will treat me and I will not have to travel to North Carolina. Thanks for the list of doctors Meg. If this Pulmonologist doesn't want to follow the Marshall Protocol I will be using your list.

I feel encouraged with his attitude! I am now down to ONE milligram fo prednisolone and hope to say goodbye to it forever. Thanks for your help.

Nadine

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: SJK (---.pseg.com)
Date:   08-09-04 06:40

Does anyone know of any Marshall Protocol friendly doctors in the Washington, DC area?

Thanks,
Kristen

Meg's note: Kristen, please check your email inbox.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Misty Ross (---.dialup.mindspring.com)
Date:   08-10-04 16:36

Do you know of a knowlegable doctor in the San Francisco Bay Area.

List sent by Meg 8-10-04

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ken Swanson (---.net.plm.eds.com)
Date:   08-23-04 09:04

Do you have a list of doctors in the Chicago area who are prescribing this treatment?

Thank you,

Ken

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Francois (167.198.210.---)
Date:   08-23-04 11:52

It now appears that I will get only so far with my HMO Dr. Do you have a list of Drs who use MP in Georgia?

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.117.101.148.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   08-23-04 17:14

Francois,

It's a good idea to find someone who will support your desire to get well. I'll send you a list of doctors.

Good luck,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.117.101.148.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   08-23-04 17:19

Hi Ken,

Welcome to SarcInfo. There is no one we know of in the Chicago area who is using the Marshall Protocol. But I'll send you a list of rheumatologists who have used minocycline to treat RA. They are more likely to be receptive if your specialist or PCP has said no.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ken Swanson (134.244.103.---)
Date:   08-25-04 09:24

Thanks for your help, Meg.

I have been studying your site for the past few weeks and sharing the information with my Doctor. He raises many good questions that I am unable to respond to. After reading further through the posts, it appears that many individuals here share the same experience with their physicians. Following is a brief summary of my condition, my current status, and some questions about this treatment raised by my pulmonologist.

After a routine physical and chest x-ray in July of 2003, I was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis by an open lung biopsy on Sept. 25, 2003. I was 39 years old.

We did not know if my condition was stable, improving or deteriorating. My doctor suggested that we monitor it closely for a while (without any treatment) to find out.

One year later in July 2004, both my x-ray and PFT showed a slight decline. At that time, he very reluctantly prescribed prednisone. Also at that time, I renewed my efforts to learn more about this condition. That search led me to the documents on sarcinfo, which I downloaded for my pulmonologist. He read everything and began searching the web for other information regarding this treatment.

Since Chronic Sarcoidosis is a potentially fatal condition, I would not trust my health to someone I did not feel was at the top of their field, and willing to dig and search for only the best treatment options. Fortunately, living in the Chicago area with access to excellent hospitals and many doctors, I was able to find that individual. In addition to his normal practice, he also reviews documents for Chest and other medical journals. Unfortunately, based on that experience, he was not impressed by the arguments or evidence presented in the “Remission In Sarcoidosis” paper. That is not because he had never heard of it before. He is familiar with the use of antibiotics in a variety conditions.

His concern, which I share, is that there is no reference to this treatment anywhere other than sarcinfo.com. I personaly have searched PubMed and been unable to find any published documents regarding this treatment.

While I find the information on sarcinfo compelling, I fail to understand how you have been unable to publish one study in a medical journal, or document your findings in such a way as to interest a specialist in the field. For sarcinfo to claim it is because specialists are ego driven or unwilling to learn, does us all a disservice, and ignores the fact that there may be gaps in the argument, or a failure to communicate it effectively.

I am unable to find any real statistical evidence on sarcinfo other than statements such as “many patients”, “the majority of us” or “most”.

Exactly how many people are using this therapy?

What was their exact diagnosis?

How were they diagnosed?

Are they acute or chronic?

What stage where they in, and what was their overall physical condition when they began the MP?

What treatments were they on prior to the MP?

What is their current status, and what side effects have they experienced?

What about the 5% who did not respond to the MP?

Where they 39 year males with biopsy proven pulmonary sarcoidosis and four weeks of prednisone in their system?

I know you are tracking this information via internet, but it is not available to me on sarcinfo, and I can only imagine that if it was good scientific data, every pulmonologist in the country would be interested in it, regardless of what treatments they had prescribed in the past.

While I believe that every one of the moderators on sarcinfo have a genuine desire to help others with this condition, the pure anonymity and nature of an internet Bulletin Board make everything suspect. The reality is, a post or reply could be from a fourteen year old with spare time, albeit a very cruel 14 year old.

But nonetheless, I do appreciate your efforts and your existence. I understand that you believe in this therapy to the point that you use yourself as the first line of testing. I have a two year old son and cannot in good conscience tell him that I am going to “further” risk my life by going against what appears to be the vast majority of the medical community, all if whom are much more knowledgeable in this area than I am.

Dr. Marshall said himself, in response to an individual struggling with a caner diagnosis, “ps: I am not an expert in these issues. Make sure you ask your oncologist to explain the above issues to you in detail - he/she is being paid to do that job, and it is your responsibility to make sure they do their job properly..”

I agree completely. I have only been studying medicine for three weeks. That is why I have the best Pulmonologist I can find.

I continue to read your site everyday. You are the only individuals out there who actually claim to be able to cure this condition. I do not need to wait for a 10 year double blind study from Mayo Clinic on the effectiveness of your therapy. I do however, need to wait until you can provide some statistical data, and present your arguments and evidence in such a way that my doctor is compelled to listen. Can you help in any way regarding these concerns?

Thank you again for any help you can provide, and for continuing your efforts to understand and treat this disease.

Sincerely,

Ken Swanson

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-25-04 12:58

Ken,
We have written several peer-reviewed papers, one at PubMed is

http://tinyurl.com/5rgmq

I would note that the only person being harmed by your skepticism, and your doctor's skepticism, is you yourself.

I get telephone calls and emails daily from physicians from all over the world. Yes, some of them are Sarcoid specialists. No, I am not going to give you their names. Please ask your Doc to call me directly, I will be happy to discuss the issue of the 'WASOG black-list' with him.

The key thing to understand is that "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". It is very tough to do studies on Sarcoidosis, and very few of the studies done by your Doc's colleagues have met even the minimum standards which I demand. For example, take a look at this paper trying to justify the use of prednisone without any efficacy or safety testing:

http://tinyurl.com/6abtx

What Professor Sharma is apparently expounding is:
1. Studies using corticosteroids have been criticized for not having adequate controls, not conducted in double-blind fashion, not providing adequate information about dosage and duration of TX, and not having an acceptable balance of race, CXR stage and clinical symptoms.

2. Prof Sharma offers a study of 189 randomized patients with mostly normal (pulmonary function) who received oral prednisone for 3 months, followed by 15 mo. inhaled steroids. Follow-up at 5 years showed only the stage II patients treated with steroids had any improvement in PFT. He noted that "The significance of mild functional improvement in a group of patients with baseline normal or near normal values remains unclear."

3. Prof Sharma's conclusion (with which I disagree) is:
It is clear that there may never be an ideal prospective double-blind controlled study. Prospective placebo control trials would not be ethical because corticosteroids are extremely effective in controlling symptoms in many patients with pulmonary and extra-pulmonary sarcoidosis. Spontaneous remissions occur in many asymptomatic patients regardless of the radiological stage of the disease. These patients will need to be excluded from any controlled study because it would be difficult to demonstrate therapeutic benefit. Furthermore, the increased frequency of relapses, after treatment is withdrawn, will invalidate the comparison with a placebo control group. Thus in the present state of our knowledge, use of corticosteroids is justified and essential for symptomatic relief and control of disabling systemic involvement.

I would note that, IMO, the Gottlieb study was well done, and produced data which puts the above analysis to shame.

http://tinyurl.com/66ahp

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Another study which strains the bounds of credulity is the ACCESS study 2-year follow-up. Please take a close look at the sloppiness in collecting data for this study, and then reflect that taxpayers spent tens of millions of dollars on it, and all the major sarcoidosis centers took part.

Yet nobody bothered to seperate the cohort getting prednisone from the cohort not being treated with steroids, nobody bothered to make any records whatsoever of the doses of prednisone used in the treated cohort, and nobody thought to suggest that it would be a good idea to directly compare the Chest Xrays from the 2 year point with those taken at diagnosis. And those were just the methodological errors...

http://autoimmunityresearch.org/access-2yr.htm

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Yes, we will write up all the details of our study one day. But NIH refused our research grant proposal to gather together all the medical and imaging records of the Sarcoidosis patients who have recovered on this protocol.

So, if you want absolute assurance, please ask your Doc (and his colleagues) to persuade NIH to give me some help. A few post-Docs should be able to put together the answers to your questions in pretty short order.

But at the moment I have to triage the time and energies which I and my colleagues have available. And we are setting those triage priorities to the best of our ability. Either you trust us, or you don't. It is your choice.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   08-25-04 16:17

Ken,

First of all, let me say that I understand deciding on a treatment option is a difficult decsion. I have been there - we all have. It's especially difficult for people like us who dig deep and are willing to ask questions.

Before you decided to take Prednisone, did you ask the same in-depth questions? Did you get complete answers from your doctor (the person you paid for advice), or did you find the answers from some other source? Did you ask for proof regarding how effective Prednisone is in treating sarcoidosis for a 39-year old male with pulmonary sarcoidosis?

I am asking because it is not our place to persuade anyone to try the Marshall Protocol. Deciding on a treatment option is a personal decision an individual must make by weighing all the information. Obviously you believed you had all the information you wanted about the treatment you are using, but you seem to want more information about the effectiveness of the Marshall Protocol. I would answer that people are either looking for a treatment option beyond the likes of Prednisone, plaquenil and methotrexate or not. If a person is seeking all the information about all their options, there is enough information already on this site to make a decision. Have you found any sarcoidosis patient who will tell you without reservation that Prednisone is the answer to this disease, or even how remarkable it is in bringing their function back, so they could regain all their normal daily activities? Patients on the Marshall Protocol have done that on this site.

There are published papers that show that antibiotic therapy is effective in treating (pulmonary) sarcoidosis. Maybe you have overlooked them in reading this website and searching PubMed (which I assume you did). There is the Bachelez study which found that minocycline therapy was associated with improvement in intrathoracic lesions, lymphadenopathy, and lowered ACE levels. You need to dig deeper than just reading the abstract to find that information, though; you a copy of the full text article from your local medical library (which should be easy, since you live in Chicago). In the full text are "before" and "after" x-rays showing visible improvement. Or you can trust the details in this summary.

There is another published paper you can find in PubMed or here. This second paper notes the use of Benicar as part of the therapy in treating sarcoidosis.

Have you searched the published literature to find a clinical trial showing empirically that a treatment works on sarcoidosis? The most promising report is this one. But ultimately making the decision is between you and a treating physician. If you are happy with your current treatment, and you understand the demonstrated effectiveness of this treatment compared to the risks, and willingly accepted those -- then you should, by all means continue it, because Prednisone is totally different from the Marshall Protocol.

Belinda

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ken Swanson (---.net.plm.eds.com)
Date:   08-26-04 12:55

Dr. Marshall,

I did not ask about the efficacy of corticosteroids, or the quality of those tests.

I asked direct questions about the Marshall Protocol and the data that you have compiled on the success or failure of your volunteers.

Perhaps my post was too long, or I was simply unable to communicate my concerns clearly. Please let me restate my closing thought;

”I do not need to wait for a 10 year double blind study from Mayo Clinic on the effectiveness of your therapy. I do however, need to wait until you can provide some statistical data, and present your arguments and evidence in such a way that my doctor is compelled to listen. Can you help in any way regarding these concerns?”

That is certainly not asking for absolute assurance about anything.

You already said yourself that “Sarcoidosis is a chronic inflammatory disease which degrades the whole body so effectively that most patients eventually die of kidney, liver or heart failure.”, so your comment about skepticism is unnecessary and does neither one of us any good.

“Either you trust us, or you don’t. It’s up to you.” is not an acceptable answer for any question regarding ones life.

I submitted my post in hope that you could provide a patient with very basic statistics that would help convince a doctor to call you. Unfortunately, if I give my physician those questions, and your reply, he will throw your documents away. I would, and I am trying to support you.

It’s possible I caught you at a bad time. I am hopeful you will rethink your response.

Thanks for your time and consideration,

Ken Swanson

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ken Swanson (---.net.plm.eds.com)
Date:   08-26-04 12:56

Hi Belinda,

I am not a doctor. I have a Bachelor of Science degree and sell software for a living.

I do not know how to read an x-ray, interpret blood test results or prescribe medication. That is why I need a doctor. Based on the following comment by Dr. Marshall from Marshallprotocol.com;

“…We would have had 2 dead patients if their cardiologists had not increased their Benicar dosage to combat the cardiac herx - wait until you get to phase 2 - you will then understand how carefully you need to control the herx to totally beat Th1 disease…”

…having a good doctor is very important.

Because I do not fully understand the science and arguments behind Dr. Marshall’s technical papers, I must rely upon a trusted physician and expert in the field to help me understand, process and validate whatever claims are made.

My Pulmonologist is certified, experienced, and highly regarded by both my PCP and thoracic surgeon.

I found you on the internet.

In answer to your question about whether or not I held my current treatment up to the same scrutiny that I am judging you against, the answer is yes. If I thought prednisone was the best long-term treatment, I would not be here.

I am taking it in an attempt to reduce the inflammation in my lungs, improve my pulmonary function, and limit any permanent damage caused by a continuing downward trend in both.

But whether or not prednisone is an effective treatment for sacroidosis, has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the Marshall Protocol at treating the same disease. As you said, they are totally different.

Likewise, whether or not my decision to take the first dose of prednisone was correct or incorrect, will have nothing to do with a decision to take Benicar and Minocycline.

Yet every time I ask a direct question about test results for the Marshall Plan, you reply with questions and answers about prednisone.

I did not come here to learn about prednisone. I am here to learn more about the Marshall Protocol, the treatment I found on the internet.

Your treatment must stand on its own.

As I stated above, I do not understand all of your technical documents. It would take years for me to study them in detail to determine if the science is presented adequately, and in a logical and scholarly fashion. So I must rely on other individuals in the medical field to help me make that determination. Judging from the number of posts in three different threads on your site, regarding doctors and sarcoidosis, I can only assume you are failing to make those arguments successfully.

Please try again. This may be a slow moving disease, but there are many people in my situation who don’t have any time to waste.

Thank you,

Ken Swanson

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Guss Wilkinson (---.wintec.ac.nz)
Date:   08-26-04 14:33

Hi Ken

I am not part of the moderator team at SarcInfo - I am a Sarc sufferer, diagnosed in 2002 but I must have had it for at least ....who knows.

I have a 4th Dan black belt in Karate and have always been proud of my elite level of fitness. Sarc reduced me to the level where I was unable to walk around the block.

I am not a doctor either, but I do have a degree in Optometry, a degree in Information Technology, post graduate diploma in Management Systems and very soon, I hope, a Masters in that subject.

I grew up in a medical family and I have lots of friends who are doctors - people who I have called upon when I have found myself unable to interpret what I have read in the countless hours of literature research that I have conducted.

I am also 40-years old and have gone through 2-failed courses of Prednisone. When you have gone through so much testing; so much probing and biopsy; and have spent so much money trying to get to the bottom of your condition - only to be told that medicine really doesn't know much, but don't worry, it will probably self-remit; you start to loose hope. Not only that, you fear hope - because you just can't handle more disappointment.

That is why when I was introduced to this site, I too came out with both guns blazing - challenging Trevor for his apparent lack of peer reviewed studies. I did not want to be involved in snake oil therapies, sleeping with crystals up my bum in a feng shui (spelling?) enhanced closet.

I printed out every article and spent many weeks reading them together with my doctor friends. They pointed out that there are indeed many holes in the research methodology and they were unsure about some of the science as well.

But they also said this - these guys are not asking for any money from you; they are not promising any quick and painless fixes so hey, what have you got to loose? The medicine is harmless (relatively) and there really are no alternatives.

In order to make doubly sure, I went to my GP and had a long chat with him - his words were "I can see no ethical problem in prescribing you this treatment."

As the Olmesartan was not available in New Zealand, I had to import it privately at huge expense - an expense that I can't really afford.

I have been on this protocol for nearly a year now and the difference it has made is staggering. I have just started stage 3 of the protocol and I now feel that I am on a downhill glide to the finish line.

Is it a placebo? Am I actually self-remitting: and is being on the protocol at the same time a coincidence? I can't be 100% sure - but I also don't care. I have my life back; my wife is not longer preparing herself for life as a single parent and I am no longer wondering if my two sons will be able to cope without me. I also have time and energy for them all - much to their delight.

An added bonus is that my Psoriasis has disappeared (nearly) which has never happened before. I sleep all night, every night - haven't done that in 20-years. My uncontrollably high blood pressure is down to 100/50. My cholesterol is now at the bottom end of the normal range - always been high before. I no longer have memory holes and I can concentrate again. I had stage II, but my x-rays are now clear.

I understand your scepticism as I am the king of sceptics myself. To quote Carl Sagan - of course you should have an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out.

But in my uniformed opinion, not giving this a try is the gamble.

Sorry for the length of this. If you want to talk with me personally, I would be happy to give you my phone number.

Cheers

Guss

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Gary (---.pg.com)
Date:   08-26-04 14:53

Maybe I'm a dummy for getting in the middle of this, and if the moderators want to delete this post I certainly will not be offended.

Ken - A couple thoughts

First, I don't believe it is anyones job to gather the proof you want. Trevor seems to be devoting a huge amount of his time to getting the word out to the best of his ability. I really doubt that he has a secret file of results he chooses not to publish. There are volunteers who try to interpret the data for those who want to use it. What you see here on this site is probably the state of the data .... maybe some of it could be better organized, and maybe somebody will volunteer to do that - so far I haven't chosen to do that, but then one characteristic of this disease is you have lots of ambition, that quickly fades once you have to get up and do something requiring concentration and work. Asking for more from those who have given so much just doesn't seem to be the way to approach it. Write your congressman - they certainly authorize enough silly studies, maybe a useful one might sneak through.

Second, if you go through the last couple of years on the site, you could make a table of individuals who claim to be making long term progress, those claming to have long term deterioration, those who are having short term problems. Group those folks by those following the protocol to the letter and those who are not. Having read the site in some detail, I think I know how your table will turn out, but maybe that will help you with your decision. What the data here really consists of is a couple hundred people willing to testify that they are getting better. I manage production equipment, and when something goes wrong, there is no gathering of a statistically valid sample. If I have a problem on one line, and find a solution that works there, I roll it out to all the lines. Business uses that model for finding and reapplying fixes, and it is useful.

Third, you are very lucky to be where you are in the progress of your sarc. You have obviously not reached the point of desperation. Most of us saw what standard treatments did to us... not pretty. I could count on getting a new symptom or 2 every year. It became obvious I would run out of places to have symptoms before I reached the old age I hoped for. My job was threatened and family was miserable. I didn't have a choice between standard treatment or MP, it was standard treatment or nothing, and I had chosen nothing. If you try the MP now, perhaps you will avoid the desperation stage. Your treatment on the MP would also be easier. I consider myself exceptionally lucky to have started the MP when I did. I had an acquaintance who had sarc plus fibromalgya, plus CFS, plus sjorgens (sp). She was desperate.. I introduced her to the site and we talked a bit about what she was up against and her options. She latched onto the MP like a man lost in the desert would to cold water, and saw her doc in under a week.

Fourth, I'm not that far from Chicago, and if you want to come down to St. Louis for a talk and maybe a (night) Cardinals game, we could talk and you could see I am not a 14 year old.

So my testimony. After three months (had my first dose of Z today). I can breath through my nose after not being able to do that for about 3 years. I am somewhat more productive at work. I can do more than just sit on the sofa every night and weekend ... I don't dread coming to work. I can take a deep breath, although it makes me cough still. My digestive system seems to be normal - no more feeling slightly queasy all the time along with irregularity. The lympth nodes in my neck are smaller, but still there. And most important... everything that Trevor and others said would happen to me did. I allow myself to imagine a bright future again.

We all wish there were more data. But running a business or running your life is based on making the best decision you can with the data available at the moment.

Good luck

Gary

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.117.101.148.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   08-26-04 15:36

Ken,

I hope that Gus and Gary's messages have helped you understand why we cannot offer your doctor statisitics. Of course we don't expect you to understand the scientific details and we know that is why you must rely on your trusted doctor.

Your pulmonologist may be "certified, experienced, and highly regarded" by both your PCP and thoracic surgeon, but that doesn't make him infallible. My experience with Mayo Clinic specialists was similar.

I believe that your questions touched a nerve because many physicians of this caliber have closed their minds to the Marshall Protocol without reading the peer-viewed scientific evidence. They have refused to do their own clinical study of a treatment plan that many report to be effective and is far safer than the medications they currently use.

We are trying to find funding to do a study but have so far been refused for reasons that lead us to believe there are influential doctors who don't want to see this treatment studied.

There are hundreds of doctors prescribing the Marshall Protocol and some of them are pulmonologists. The practice of medicine is an art. IMO, a doctor who has your best interests in mind will recognize the value of the Marshall Protocol based on the scientific articles already published. And he will take Dr. Marshall up on his generous offer of a free phone consultation.

You are the one who must decide if your doctors actions are reasonable. We will be happy to help you do that in any way that we can.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Barb (---.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net)
Date:   08-27-04 16:45

Gary, I am at the desparate stage and was wondering if you could give me a name of a doc in St. Louis familiar with the MP? Thanks, Barb

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ken Swanson (134.244.103.---)
Date:   08-30-04 11:34

All,

Thank you for your replies. I am sorry for the delay in this post, but I did not want to answer hastily. I needed to drop the keyboard and back away for a couple of days. I never intended to have my questions interpreted as “guns blazing”.

For the record, out of respect for the visitors on the board who are coming for help and medical advice, I sent my original questions to a moderator in a private email. They asked that I post them on the public board.

My questions were not to challenge, discredit or debate with you or the moderators. I appreciate everyone’s efforts to understand this disease. I thought they were pretty simple questions. Nothing technical. “how many people are doing this?”, “How do you know they had Sarcoid?” and like Guss said, “How do you know some of them weren’t spontaneous remissions?”. Simple stuff.

Before I posted my questions I had already stopped taking vitamins and supplements, and hunted down some polaroid sunglasses. I suspected my wife and coworkers were beginning to think I had become a bit touched. If it weren’t for Guss, Gary, and a third person whose email address I figured out, I would probably think so too.

I am sure it is frustrating to be asked the same questions each time a new patient or doctor comes to your board, even after they have read all your documents. To make matters worse, their input was not invited or solicited. They just show up and want something. I even read about the guy who started his own website to discuss your board, then came back for help on dosing. And you helped him.

Sarcinfo mentions repeatedly how safe and effective the MP is, but you don’t have to dig very far on the board to find people herx’ing all over the place with some very nasty results. To say those reactions are because of the herx, and not the medication, is like saying the fall won’t kill you, but the sidewalk will. That’s just not right. This isn’t taking aspirin.

I asked you the same questions my doctor asked me. They are the same questions I will be asked if I go to a different doctor, if he/she is any good. Since every person on this board shares the same experience with doctors, friends and family members, it makes sense to me to fix that problem. If you are having difficulty getting funding from the NIH, and getting experienced (not recent graduate) pulmonologists to support your efforts, wouldn’t the answer to those questions help break down those barriers? If not destroy them?
Gary, the Mission statement on autoimmunityresearch.org says;
“April 2004 update: one disease has been solved, Sarcoidosis, and we are investigating similarities in the pathogenesis of this disease and that of Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus and Parkinson's.”

So yes, if you are smart enough to truly find a cure for any fatal disease, and you make that statement, then it is your responsibility - as a human being - to compile your data. And if necessary, shove it down the throat of the medical community.
As long as there are people out here like me, struggling with doctors and medication, it’s not cured.

Thanks again for everyone’s consideration, and thoughtful replies. I am glad you’re here.

Ken

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.117.101.148.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   08-30-04 18:52

Ken,

It's nice to hear from you again. I'm glad you are continuing to investigate the Marshall Protocol and ask questions.

You still seem concerned about the safety of Benicar and the antibiotics on the MP. Yes, people have had some severe Herxheimer reactions. But they are usually the patients who are not following the Protocol exactly. It has been designed to allow the patient to control the amount of Herx reaction he can tolerate and to prevent any that are dangerous. The fact that patients are experiencing Herxheimer reactions is proof positive that we are dealing with occult organisms. Something we don't understand how a good doctor can ignore.

You wonder why experienced pulmonologists and the NIH (which is influenced by those same pulmonologists) is not jumping to help us do an official study. Well, sad to say, but medicine in this country is a highly politicized business. Doctors who have spent their careers focusing on the wrong research and basing their reputations on the standard treatments aren't real eager to be proven wrong.

The history of medicine is full of stories such as ours. Eventually the powers that be are forced to recognize new developments but in the past it could be many years before new information filtered down to the average doctor. The Internet will change that timetable. Motivated patients are educating themselves online. Please visit marshallprotocol and marshallprotocolyahoo for a sample of the highly intelligent and technical debates patients are engaging in about Th1 inflammatory disease. These same patients (many are medical professionals themselves) are pushing their doctors to find the time to become informed and help them now. A lot of us don't have years and years to wait to try something this simple just to soothe ruffled feathers.

Many of us have been treated with steroids, other immunosuppressants, chemotherapy and even radiation for sarcoidosis by these same pulmonologists who are questioning the safety of Benicar and low-dose, pulsed antibiotics. It boggles my mind that they would think Benicar and antibiotics are in the same ballpark as these toxic drugs.

I hope I don't sound too cynical but I've been around the medical world for a long time and sometimes I don't like what I see.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   08-31-04 01:26

Ken,

I wish we had all the answers to your questions; I really do. I wish we had a paid staff and funding to pull together all the medical charts and statistical information on each patient -- but we don't. We do have the internet, some brilliant volunteers, patients and physicians who are capable of understanding the safety and risk/benefit ratio of the Marshall Protocol, compassion for patient suffering, and determination to kick this disease once and for all.

We ended up with the information on this website and in our computers. We know there are over 200 patients who've implemented the MP because Trevor printed out patient posts until they reached that number. We've encouraged people to post relevant information here, so what you see is what we have, except for private emails from doctors and patients and patient records that were sent to us. As we said, we don't have a staff to otherwise process, organize and compile all these posts, emails and records. It's all we can do to answer emails and posts from doctors and patients to ensure they correctly understand and implement the MP. The most serious Herxing has resulted from incorrectly applying the MP.

There is enough information here to decide whether to implement the MP. There are links to all the crucial information about safety of all the medications. We've told everyone about dosing frequency and amounts, and about Herxing and how to manage that. Patients have even told their own stories about how they struggled to implement the MP, dealt with Herxheimers, and their own amazement upon improvement. Some patients painstakingly posted lab records and radiology reports verbatim. We couldn't possibly make up these stories.

I am sorry if you didn't like it when we turned the discussion back to Prednisone. That's where it inevitably leads, because like it or not, Prednisone has been the industry-standard "treatment" for this disease for decades. It's what every treatment is measured against, so there is no exception to evaluate the Marshall Protocol any differently. In the end, treatment decision is based upon whether the doctor and patient believe a treatment option has as much efficacy as, and fewer side effects than Prednisone, or whether the treatment allows use of lesser amounts of Prednisone, in attempt to reduce its known side effects. It's that simple.

I think you didn't apply the same standard to the MP as you did to Prednsione because you didn't find out exactly how many patients have been treated with Prednisone, what their exact diagnosis was, how they were diagnosed, whether they were acute or chronic, what stage where they in, and what their overall physical condition was when they began Prednisone, what treatments were they on prior to Prednisone, what their current status is and what side effects they experienced.. and what happened to those who didn't respond to Prednisone. Most physicians don't know those answers. We've tracked down enough information to provide incomplete (but adequate) answers to most of these questions on this website. We also made a synopsis of points from the recent NIH-funded study, which provided additional answers about the ineffectiveness of Prednisone and patient outcome here. It may interest you to know that the ACCESS study was the first-ever clinical study requiring a biopsy of granulomatous inflammation for patient inclusion in the study group, and as result, all other studies most likely included non-sarcoidosis patients. That could explain why, in the past, confounding information was circulated about the expected prognosis of sarcoidosis.

So please don't conclude we are evading your queries. We love digging for answers. We would love to provide succinct answers to all your questions, complete with detailed charts, percentages, and eye-catching graphics. But you know what? I don't think you will find anywhere more plain truth about sarcoidosis and treatment options than here, on this board. It's because we are all patients who determined to find the truth.. and then share it with others. Ultimately, though, we are still limited by lack of time and funding.

Belinda

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Monika Polska (217.153.22.---)
Date:   08-31-04 04:29

HI Bill,
I am 29 years of age and very fresh to Sarcoidosis as I was diagnosed only in the last couple of weeks after I suffered from fevers, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatique, and after the mediastinoscopy. Since then I found a lot of web pages but only on this page here I can speak to other Sarc people. I am Polish and there is literally a few papers on Sarc in Polish on the web and they are not patiants friendly AT ALL for they are written in a very medical language.

I have an appoitment with a Proffessor schedule here in Poland. This will be the first appointment after the diagnosis (20th August). Will let you know and if worth will give you his name.

PS
As I read on this page I become now really scared of this disease!

Sorry, if I put my "writing" in the wrong place. Only learning about this page.

Monika_Polska

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-31-04 04:45

Welcome to SarcInfo, Monika.

Please make sure you read the new brochure explaining this disease
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/sarcoidosis.pdf

But there is nothing to be scared of. At Sarcinfo we know the cause of, and cure for, this disease. I would be happy to write to your Professor and explain this to him. You can also print out the "Papers for Physicians" at the top right of this page and give them to him.

Sarcoidosis is a deadly disease, and physicians who have treated it before think it is very complex and scary. But it is not. We now have the answer, and over 200 patients throughout he world are getting their lives back using the safe cure we have pioneered.

Welcome again,
Trevor

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Monika Polska (217.153.22.---)
Date:   08-31-04 05:19

Thank you Trevor,

I will talk about this method to the doctors. I have not been taking any medicines nor steroids so far. My symptoms seems to be going away and only the chest pain is still mild. But now I read it does not go on its own... Well, actually until now I hoped it would.
Anyway, I would be nicely surprised if the docs would speak English but still you could write to my e-mail address. I am willing to take the chellange of translation if needed.

One question: how old is this method? When was it first applied to Sarc patients?

How expensive is Benicar? Is it available in Poland?

Monika_Polska

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-31-04 05:36

Monika,
There is a Russian language board at
http://book.by.ru/cgi/view?book=sarc

I would be surprised if your professor is not fluent in English, but if he is comfortable in Russian he can read that message board. A Russian translator web service is available at
http://www.online-translator.com/srvurl.asp?lang=en

The patients in Russia import their Benicar from Germany, where it is called Votum. It is expensive, by comparison with the cost of living.

The first Sarc patients started on our antibiotic therapies in early 2002.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ken (---.net.plm.eds.com)
Date:   08-31-04 07:54

Meg & Belinda,

Thank you being so responsive and helpful. I know you are busy.

I have a PFT this afternoon to see if the prednisone has had any effect. You know the drill.

I agree with your opinions on Prednisone. I can’t stay on it long term.

I’m still learning, and I am still on your side.

I have one question for Dr. Marshall;

When I spoke to my doctor two weeks ago, he said your documents were focused on hypercalcemia and that my calcium levels were fine.

Do you know why that one point is all he focused on? Remember, I’m in sales, what’s my 30 second elevator response to that?

Thanks,

Ken

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   08-31-04 08:22

Ken,
A 30 second response? easy - The excess generation of 1,25-D in sarcoidosis has nothing to do with calcium. I have published papers on the issue, such as

http://tinyurl.com/5rgmq

If he has also published papers he is in a position to chat with me about the issues, otherwise it is customary for him to regard me as the expert.

Prednisone performance has nothing to do with our opinions, a stack of clinical studies say it is ineffective. Print out for her the results of the latest ACCESS study, which show that prednisone often makes the disease worse, rather than better
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/sarcoidosis.pdf

Good luck,
..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ken (---.net.plm.eds.com)
Date:   08-31-04 09:12

Thank you for your help.

Just so you know, I did read "Vit. D and Calcium in Sarcoidosis" before I took your time. But like I said, I'm not a doctor and I can't spar with one on medical papers. I am just trying to get one to call you.

Ken

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Tim Carter (---.boi.hp.com)
Date:   08-31-04 13:17

I have been diagnosed with Sarcoidosis after experiencing tachycardia that lead to two CT scans, followed by a media stenoscopy with biopsy of 2 lymph nodes on my heart. I am 47 years old and have had a number of other illusive ailments through the years that I now believe are associated with this disease. So far the three doctors that I have been working with have given me the standard line of rhetoric and are not open to even reading the literature.

Consequently I am looking for Dr.’s in Idaho who are open minded enough to treat me using the Marshall Protocol. If you have no recommendations for Idaho, then California is also an option since I travel to the San Francisco Bay area often, and I have a stockpile of frequent flier miles.

I would be very appreciative if you could help me find someone who is willing to treat me.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Shauna Suttle (---.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net)
Date:   09-01-04 03:06

I have had many of symptoms (mainly neuropathy) listed in the website and have been frustrated with no diagnosis. I looked into sarcoid because my mother has it (pulmonary). Do you know if it is hereditary? Do you know of any good doctors in the Houston area that deal with the neurological effects of sarcoid? Also how is this diagnosed? Do you have to have lesions in your spine? Thanks SSS

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline (---.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net)
Date:   09-01-04 06:43

Hi Shauna,
I am sorry to hear you are experiencing neuropathy. Neuropathy is one of the first symptoms I had. Neuropathy continued to affect my life and worsen. Numbness in one small area of my ankle eventually grew to my entire foot, ankle and calve which caused limping. Physicians were at a loss at to what was the cause. It took several years until granulomas were detected in chest x-rays, to obtain a diagnosis. It is very frustrating to not understand what is happening to your body.

Sarcoidosis of a parent or immediate family member does indeed raise your risk level. Sarcoidosis is systemic and may affect any organ in your body. Testing of your D-metabolites, explained in the Tutorials, will provide valuable informaiton.

Please spend some time reading these Patient Tutorials at the top of the Main Page. This will provide all the information about how this protocol works. Discontinue any supplements, and start staying out of the sun, and restrict your Vitamin D intake from diet and other sources. Many times even these simple measures will improve your symptoms.

After doing some reading, let us know if you have any questions.
Caroline

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Ken (134.244.103.---)
Date:   09-01-04 08:43

Dr. Marshall,

Regarding your comments on pulmonologists… you were right. I was wrong.

My PFT is better and I am on the downhill side of the prednisone, so he thinks everything is great.

Yes I am glad my lung function is improving, but I know the chronic condition never goes away, and so does he.

I am willing to bet that if he had a chronic diagnosis himself and was looking at the effectiveness of long term prednisone, he would be willing to give you a call and at the very least, be aware of what’s out there.

I will re-visit my GP, then to try find someone from the list Meg sent me.

Many thanks for all your help and information.

Ken

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   09-01-04 08:50

Ken,
Make sure you read the new brochure on the access study results at URL
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/sarcoidosis.pdf

and print copies for your pulmo and PCP, too.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.117.101.148.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   09-01-04 15:24

Tim,

Welcome to SarcInfo. The list of doctors you requested is in your email inbox. I'm glad you recognize that it's time to get another opinion.

Good luck and let us know how you get along,

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.117.101.148.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   09-01-04 15:33

Shauna,

Welcome to SarcInfo. I am proof that it is possible to have sarcoidosis involving nerves but not the lungs. My neurologist did not want to do a nerve biopsy because it damages the biopsied nerve. Sometimes neuropathy caused by iflammation is too generalized to be detected with a biopsy.

I had my D-metabolites tested and when they were elevated, my doctor was persuaded to order Benicar and then minocycline. My neuropathy is now 90% resolved with the Marshall Protocol.

If you can find a symptathetic doctor to run the D-tests, you can get a diagnosis based on the tests and your clinical symptoms. When 1,25-D is elevated, it is evidence of Th1 inflammation and it doesn't matter what the doc decides to call it. The MP will put it into remission.

I'll send you a list of doctors in Texas who may be supportive.

Let us know if you have any questions about the Marshall Protocol that are not answered in the patient tutorials, papers for physicians, links, starred threads or by doing a site search.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Barb (---.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net)
Date:   09-02-04 18:04

If I were to start Benicar prior to having the dmetablolites tested would that scew the results of the labs? Thanks, Barb

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.117.101.148.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   09-02-04 19:52

Barb,

If you start Benicar, your 1,25-D (the active metabolite) will be reduced. If you want D-test results that accurately reflect your Th1 inflammation before treatment, you need to wait to start Benicar.

If your doctor will prescribe the MP without the tests, it is okay to proceed but knowing how high your 1,25-D is would be a help in anticipating Herxheimer severity.

Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: kedar jirage (---.maa.sify.net)
Date:   10-08-04 22:29

i am a sarcoid need more info

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lottie (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   10-08-04 23:09

Kedar Jirage,

Welcome to SarcInfo.

When and how were you diagnosed with Sarcoidosis? What have your symptoms been?

You may be told that Sarcoidosis can and does go into remission on it’s own. It doesn’t. We now know that it is caused by bacteria that can actually invade and live inside the very cells that are supposed to kill them. The Marshall Protocol is the only treatment presently in use that will assist your body in attaining remission.

Sarcoidosis can affect ANY AND ALL ORGANS in your body.

Please read all the information which is located at the top of all the pages. Read both patient and physicians information, and print out the information for doctors to take into your doctor on your next visit. Also, read the different threads, especially the ***starred ones, and their archived versions.

The more you read and understand, the better you will be able to help your doctor to understand about Sarcoidosis and the Marshall Protocol. It’s Most of us have been most successful with our GP’s, as they seem to be more open to using the MP than the specialists. And, you will probably find yourself helping your doctor to learn and understand the Marshall Protocol.

Sarcoidosis causes problems with the regulation of the vitamin D. Read the information in this thread Hypervitaminosis D Symptoms and you may be amazed at how many of the symptoms you have.

Has your doctor suggested any treatment? Please do not take Prednisone, or any immunosuppresant threrapy. It will only allow the bacteria to thrive, and cause damage.

Please read the information in the tutorials and the starred threads, and then let us what questions you may still have.

Lottie

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Nadine (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   10-18-04 00:00



My Pulmonologist has refused to use the Marshall Protocol in my treatment and I don't believe that he even read the papers I gave him. He had been so receptive when I gave him the papers two months ago that I was prepared to discuss the new treatment. No reasoning was given just a feeling that he was the expert and he would be choosing my treatment.
I have news for him. My family doctor also has refused and was skeptical from the start but agreed to read the papers.

Of course, he was pleased that I have been doing well with the low dose of prednisone and now I have been without it for a week!!! Some pains that are worse at night but I know that the inflammation is going to come back as it did the last time I went off the prednisone.

I will be contacting a doctor from the list I was sent in July. Should I wait until I am off of the prednisone for a longer period of time or try to find another doctor now ?

Thanks to all for the support and this site.

Nadine

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lottie (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   10-18-04 00:29

Nadine,

The sooner you can start the Benicar, the better! It will help to prevent the inflammation, and help keep the pain to a minimum.

Please go to this thread on our sister site MarshallProtocol.com, and request an up to date list of doctors in your area. The moderators there have access to the list. Post Requests for Doctors in this Topic

This thread on that site may help you in searching for a doctor to help you, and perhaps you could approach your family doctor again? Advice on how to approach your doctor at the Marshall Protocol.com thread

Good luck, and keep us informed.

Lottie

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline (---.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net)
Date:   10-18-04 00:44

Nadine,
It is not surprising that your pulmo refused. Many of us here have run into the same attitude with specialists but are being helped by our Primary Care Providers. You might want to wait until mid-week to allow reading time by your family doctor and then give him/her a call to discuss it. If the answer is an informed refusal, at that point, I would start a search to find a doctor to support you this week. The sooner you can begin the MP, the better.

Weaning from prednisone can be uncomfortable. I wish you were able to obtain benicar to help you in the prednisone weaing process. You do not need to be off of presnisone before you look for another doctor. If you haven't read, Weaning From Prednisone, please do and give a copy to your doctor. Rest when you can and generally try to take it easy. The lower doses are the most difficult but you will be so much better off.

I hope this helps, Caroline

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Brian2 (---.96-22.rac.wi.net)
Date:   10-18-04 10:04

Hello,

I was diagnosed with sarcoidosis after a lymph node biopsy.
The CT scan showed extensive lymph node involvement in the
torso and groin; some spots were also shown in the lungs.

The plan is to approach my primary care physician with the Trevor's
protocol and the supporting documentation from this site; then request the
vitamin D tests and the Benicar and minocycline.

I have eliminated the dietary sources of Vit D and tried to reduce sun
exposure through covering up and wearing NoIRs.

Could someone please send me names of doctors in the Wisconsin
and Illinois area that are willing to administer the Marshall Protocol?
This is a backup plan in case my PCP declines to use the protocol.

Thanks so much!

Brian

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline (---.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net)
Date:   10-18-04 10:23

Hi Brian,

Welcome to SarcInfo.

We are happy to hear you are proceeding ahead toward remission by tasking charge of your health. Have you noticed a difference in your symptoms with the steps you have already taken, diet, noirs and sun?

Please post your request for a physician on our sister site, The Marshall Protocol: Post Requests for Doctors in This Topic.

Keep us posted on your progress. If we can help you any further, let us know.

Caroline

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: barbara schneider (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   11-02-04 17:38

can anyone tell me if there is a doctor using MP, in the pittsburgh, Pa area.

Doctor list sent 11/3 by Meg

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Debbie Steinberg (68.153.41.---)
Date:   11-04-04 00:47

I would like to know if there are any doctors specializing in the treatment of sarc in North Carolina? Thanks for any info you can provide!

Doctor list sent 11/04 by Meg.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Wytnez (---.austin.rr.com)
Date:   11-29-04 17:33

Can you tell me of Doctors that specialize in Sarcoidosis in Austin Texas.
Please send info asap. I have another appt scheduled on Dec 9th with another Pulmonary Doctor but if she doesn't use the MP I don't know what to do.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Trevor Harris (---.plus.com)
Date:   11-30-04 12:38

I live near Guildford in Surrey England. Does anyone know of a doctor within 100miles or so.

Thanks Trevor Harris

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Caroline (---.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net)
Date:   11-30-04 14:40

Trevor,
Please post your request for a physician at our sister site Marshall Protocol found here: Post Requests for Doctors in This Topic.
Caroline

Sx.95, iritis 96. Pred. to 3-01. Pred., IV Medrol, MTX,neoral end 02, Dx. Neuro w/Cardiac sx, severe hip and hand pain, M-9-02, Benicar 12-02. MP-I Jan. 03. 1,25 D 58. Cardiac, & joint pain resolved w/MP-1. MP-II Feb. 04. Oct. 04, 25D=10, 125-D=34

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: DORINDA KINDER (---.245.10.124.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net)
Date:   12-16-04 16:57

I AM LOOKING FOR A DOCTOR WHO IS WELL INFORMED RE: SARCOIDOSIS. I HAVE SEEN DISEASE SPECIALIST, PULMUNARY, NEUOROLIGIST, AND AM IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING TO AN RHUMATOLIGIST. I HAVE YET TO BE TREATED FOR ANY OF MY SYMPTOMES. I LIVE IN MID MISSOURI PLEASE HELP . IT HAS TAKEN 6 MONTH TO JUST GET SOMEONE TO TELL ME WHAT I HAVE NOW I NEED TREATMENT. ASAP GETTING VERY DISCOURAGED AND DEPRESSED

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lori L. Bederka (---.plyntv01.mi.comcast.net)
Date:   12-16-04 18:49

For approximately 18 months now, I have been treated for Sarcoidosis at the University of Michigan Hospital in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Despite providing the doctors there with virtually every article on the Sarcinfo website, as well as copies of the Marshall Protocol, and Dr. Marshall's contact info, and encouraging them to contact Dr. Marshall to discuss my case, they have thus far failed to make any moves in this direction.

The best I could get in terms of explanation for their lack of action was, "we are working on our own theories".

In the meantime, my condition is worsening.

I would like to find a doctor in the Northville, Michigan area, knowledgable about sarcoidosis, and willing to put me on the Marshall Protocol.

My health care provider currently is M-Care.

William Beaumont Hospital in nearby Royal Oak, Michigan seems to have a fair number of doctors and a good reputation.

Any assistance that you may be able to provide in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.190.172.91.eau.wi.charter.com)
Date:   12-16-04 22:37

Hi Dorinda,

Welcome to SarcInfo. The Marshall Protocol (MP) is the only treatment plan that is putting sarcoidosis into remission. But it is so new, being developed via the Internet, that most sarcoidosis doctors have not heard of it.

You will need to take the lead to learn what causes sarcoidosis and how the MP will resolve your symptoms. Everything you need to know is available online for you to read and print out for your doctor. If none of your doctors will agree to help you with the MP, let us know and we'll send you a list of doctors who might be supportive.

Let us know if you have any questions about the Marshall Protocol that are not answered by the patient tutorials, links, papers for physicians or threads on this site. You can also find easy to understand explanations and support on our sister website, marshallprotocol.com.

Best,

Meg

Meg Mangin, R.N.-moderator-sarcoidosis-nerve, skin and joints; started MP 12/02; average B/P 80/50; in phase three;still herxing mildly with 90% symptom resolution

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.190.172.91.eau.wi.charter.com)
Date:   12-16-04 22:45

Hi Lori,

Welcome to SarcInfo. You are wise to say good-by to those doctors who have ignored your information about over 200 sarcoidosis patients getting well with a safe, novel treatment plan.

I'll email you our list of doctors in Michigan. There is one who is MP-friendly and several others that may be receptive to your information about the MP.

Good luck,

Meg

Meg Mangin, R.N.-moderator-sarcoidosis-nerve, skin and joints; started MP 12/02; average B/P 80/50; in phase three;still herxing mildly with 90% symptom resolution

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lori L. Bederka (---.plyntv01.mi.comcast.net)
Date:   12-17-04 12:32

Meg:

Thank you for responding so quickly!

People like you are a godsend to those of us in real need.

I look forward to receiving the list.

Thanks Again!

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: MWM (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   12-17-04 20:34

Met,
Sorry to bother you again, but I didn't ask for any doctors from Michigan and I noted you said you had one there that was MP friendly. Michigan is within driving distance of Illinois so I would like the Michigan list. Thank you for your courtesey.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.190.172.91.eau.wi.charter.com)
Date:   12-17-04 21:27

Morris,

I'll email you the contact info for the MI doctor who is enthusiastic about the Marshall Protocol.

Best,

Meg

Meg Mangin, R.N.-moderator-sarcoidosis-nerve, skin and joints; started MP 12/02; average B/P 80/50; in phase three;still herxing mildly with 90% symptom resolution

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: BEVERLY (---.tx-dallas0.sa.earthlink.net)
Date:   01-04-05 18:23

I HAVE HAD THIS FOR A YEAR. IT STARTED IN MY EYES AND IS NOW IN MY LUNGS. I AM ON STEROIDS AND METHOTREXATE. THE DOCTOR SAYS I HAVE 40 PERCENT LUNG FUNCTION AFTER BEING TAKEN OFF STEROIDS. ANYONE KNOW OF ANY ANSWERS OTHER THAN THIS.

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Lottie (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   01-04-05 19:55

Beverly,

Welcome to SarcInfo.

We now know that Sarcoidosis is caused by bacteria that have learned to live within the immune system. Prednisone, and other immunosuppressants only allow the bacteria to flourish unhindered.

The Marshall Protocol is a safe way to help your body to kill these bacteria.

Please begin by reading everything you can in the Patient tutorials, at the top of every page.

Lottie

*MODERATOR* Dx- Sarcoid 1999 Heart, Neuro, Joints, Myalgia, Skin, SOB, Fatigue (Apr 04-1,25D 48, 25D 17) (May 05-1,25D 35, 25D-below 5) Pred x5yrs- now off! 5/19 Benicar 10/11 Mino, 1/24/05 modified phase 2, 2/2/06 Phase 2 - Worked as RN until back injury

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Norene Jones (68.159.148.---)
Date:   02-02-05 21:54

In January of 2004 I began having complications breathing, swallowing, resting and my eyes were in much pain. I finally went to a clinic and found out that I had Bronchitis and the X-ray showed that there was a spot on my lungs. While waiting to be seen by the lung doctor, I lost my voice. After seeing the lung doctor andhaving different test done, the lung doctor sent me to be seen by a doctor at the Cancer Institute. The doctor felt that I need Lung Biospy. After surgery I was told that I have Sarcodosis in the lungs. Since then I have been treated with Prednisone and I have been going to see the eye docotr for pain , redness and dryness in my eyes. I must admit that my breathing is better but I am now suffering from pain in the left side of my body. The pain started in my chest, back and shoulder and worked then down my arm and into my fingers. My back, arm and breast hurt daily and I have been seen by two family doctors and a heart doctor and I am still in pain. One doctor thinks that Sarcodosis could be in my nervous system so he prescribed me more prednisones. My question is "Could Sarcodosis be spreading in my body and are there any physicians that specialize in Sarcodosis in Alabama?"

 
 Re: Doctors and Sarcoidosis
Author: Meg (---.190.172.91.eau.wi.charter.com)
Date:   02-02-05 22:13

Norene,

Welcome to SarcInfo. It sure sounds like your sarcoidosis is very active. Prednisone can calm the lung symptoms. But in the process, it ruthlessly suppresses the immune system. This allows the bacteria that trigger sarcoidosis to multiply freely and relapse is inevitable.

Everything you need to know to recover from sarcoidosis is on this website or our sister site, marshallprotocol.com. You can print out (and highlight ) the Papers for Physicians and take them to your doctor. Dr. Marshall welcomes phone calls from physicians and his number is on all those papers.

There is one doctor in Alabama who is using the Marshall Protocol. I'll send you his name. But I'm sure he will expect you to know all about the MP so that you will be able to follow it correctly. The first thing you will have to do is wean off prednisone. Benicar can help with the withdrawal symptoms.

You can help yourself feel a bit better immediately by avoiding all sources of Vitamin D and sun/lights.

Let us know if you have any questions about the Marshall Protocol that are not answered by the patient tutorials, links, papers for physicians or threads on this site. You can also find easy to understand explanations and support on our sister website, marshallprotocol.com.

Best,

Meg

This thread is archived because it has grown too long. Please post your request for doctors in the new doctors and sarcoidosis thread. Thank you.

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  5. "No data to suggest that corticosteroid therapy alters long-term disease progression"
  6. Cochrane Review - "Oral and Inhaled Corticosteroids have no discernible effect on lung function"
  7. Prednisone Improves Symptoms but not Lung Function in Sarcodiosis
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