Sarcoidosis Answers for Physicians, Nurses and Patients

Here at SarcInfo, between 2002 and 2004, we identified the cause of Sarcoidosis, and successfully trialled a curative antimicrobial therapy. During 2005 and 2006 the US FDA designated the antibiotics Clindamycin and Minocycline as Orphan Products in the treatment of Sarcoidosis, and studies are ongoing elsewhere.

For information about this breakthrough, please post your questions at the current study-site, or the Autoimmunity Research Foundation.
 
This archive of the historic study is maintained by volunteers from the Foundation. The material here provides useful background, but much of it is now out-of-date.

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"How does Doctor measure my ACE, and my D-metabolites?"

 Weaning from Prednisone

 Protecting your eyes in Sarcoidosis

Vit.D and Calcium in Sarcoidosis

Hypervitaminosis D Symptoms    The SarcInfo F.A.Q.

Medical Abbreviations          CBC Radio Show

Protocol Phase 1-First 3 months

 

** Papers for Physicians **

Antibacterial Therapy induces Remission 

Implications for Autoimmune Disease 
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Antibacterial mechanisms for ARBs 

Antibiotics in Sarcoidosis- The 1st Year 

Rationale for abx in Sarcoidosis 

1,25-D and Angiotensin II

"New Treatments Emerge.."

Jarisch-Herxheimer in Sarcoidosis

Vit.D and Calcium in Sarcoidosis

Protocol Phase 1-First 3 months

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 DO NOT POST HERE - archived - GENERAL QUESTIONS - March 16-23, 2004
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-16-04 04:48

This archive contains the 100+ General Questions during the week from 16 March to 23 March 2004

Please do not post new messages to this thread, post them in the "Please ask General Questions Here" thread.

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Arlene Kollendar (---.30.233.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net)
Date:   03-16-04 08:55

Has anyone experienced small shock like sensations throughout the body?
It feels as if some one has a pin with a slight electric current and is lightly poking me. These sensations can be in my hands, feet, back head, trunk, and legs. It is different than pins and needles in that it feels like one pin at a time. Any one have any ideas?

Thanks,
Arlene

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Hayden (---.s513.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com)
Date:   03-16-04 10:31

Eurico

I have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis and am taking Benicar and following the Marshall Plan. There may be others doing the same.

Probably most RA patients have not found this website.

Hayden

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Diana (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   03-16-04 11:54

I thought that I had at last managed to consistently have a minocin dose of 75mg (3 times a week), having coped with this for 3 weeks. (I had a rather alarming try 11 weeks ago.) However, yesterday and today I have felt awful, with afternoon blood pressures dropping to 63/46 and 60/46 respectively, and no choice but to lie down. I had planned to drop back to 50mg over the school holidays, and maybe stop completely while my husband is away for a week and I have 3 children to cope with, but should I wait an extra day or two before taking any at all? This afternoon has involved first a racing heart, then irregular rhythms for about half an hour, including fluttering for a minute or so.

Diana

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   03-16-04 12:25

Arlene,

Spontaneous sensations such as tingling, pins and needles, electric shocks, abnormal burning or cold -- are all called parasthesia, which can be a symptom that sarcoidosis patients experience. This sounds like what you are describing. The parasthesia can affect any of the peripheral nerves. Peripheral neuropathy is a general term indicating disturbances in the peripheral nerves. This is just another symptom of an underlying disease such as sarcoidosis.

Benicar, at the dosing recommended in the Marshall Plan, was quite effective at controlling my parasthesia. Taking minocycline and the other antibiotics got rid of my chronic neuropathic pain, including muscle weakness, numbness, pins and needles and burning sensations.

I did experience some increased parasthesia in my temporary Herxheimer responses.

Belinda

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Barbara (---.atlngahp.covad.net)
Date:   03-16-04 12:38

This is for anyone who has been completely off of the prednisone for at least two months. Do you still feel bloatness or fluid retention in your face after you have eaten? Is this a prednisone side effect or am I experiencing something outside of the element? After I eat, my face looks and feels a little bloated.

Barbara

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-16-04 13:54

Diana,

Are you taking Benicar also? If so, reduce the dose but continue the every eight hour schedule.

Most patients feel better if they reduce their dose of minocycline rather than discontinue it or stretch out the schedule. But you may be different. Reduce the dose and then discontinue it for awhile if you are still having cardiac symptoms. Then when you reintroduce it, start low and go slow. There is no hurry to kill all the bacteria. If you are experiencing Herx, the treatment is effective, no matter what the dose of minocycline.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Carole (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-16-04 16:04

Thank you, Meg, for your very quick response to my questions. I have one more that I forgot about last night-- Along my suture line from the mediastenoscopy, I have small, skin-colored bumps that continue to multiply. Could these be from the disease; and if so, will they eventually disappear?

Thank you again for helping me and others on this exceptional site!
Carole

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Eurico (---.sympatico.ca)
Date:   03-16-04 17:23

Hayden, that's interesting that you're following the MP - did you try the RB (Road Back) protocol prior to the MP? Seems the RB doesn't use an ARB like Benicar to minimize the herx reaction.

We find out in 2 days what they found, if anything, from my wife's biopsy.
She also has lumps in her groin area and pains around her kidney area, among other areas.

Thursday will be the day we ask the pulmonologist about having my wife on the MP, unless of course they find cancer. I'm not holding my breath with the doctor accepting the MP but we'll try. We've already had one pulmonologist treat the MP like it's herbal medicine. It's so frustrating just trying to find a doctor who's willing to try something different.

What we're most often told by doctors is that most Sarcoidosis patients have remission without medications and live a normal life - it's hard to have a come-back to this when you don't really know. Anyone care to comment on this?

Eurico

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   03-16-04 17:28

Carole,

Keeping in mind that sarcoidosis is prone to manifest within scar sites, the bumps you describe may indeed be sarcoid lesions. These lesions have various appearances, and one form is round, skin-colored bumps.

Belinda

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Manuel Jose Mosteiro (---.tnt5.new-brunswick3.nj.da.uu.net)
Date:   03-16-04 18:13

Dear Treavor et al,

I believe I have some form of arthritis. I have pain in my finger and my knees.

Is there something I should do about it like Glucosamine Sulfate 1000mg or not.

What should I do?

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-16-04 19:20

Manuel,

You found SarcInfo last summer, so you must know by now that joint pain is a very common symptom of sarcoidosis. Glucosamine is a popular pain reliever used for osteoarthritis. It may make you feel a little better but we do not know how it might affect your immune system. and it will certainly not make your sarcoidosis go away.

What should you do? I'll email you a copy of How To Start The Marshall Protocol.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Manuel Jose Mosteiro (---.tnt2.new-brunswick3.nj.da.uu.net)
Date:   03-16-04 19:38

Dear Meg,

Yes, you are right. I found sarcinfo.com last summer and also know that joint pain is a common symtom of sarcoidosis.

I have mention Glucosamine not with the intention to eliminate sarcoidosis but to relieve part or some of the pain of sarcoidoses.

Meg, I am on the Marshall's protocol. My question is if there is anything to relieve some of the pain. My I have your input on this.

Manuel

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   03-16-04 19:42

Eurico,

The clinical studies of sarcoidosis patients indicate that over time, the majority of sarcoidosis continue with stable, chronic problems or get worse. The recent ACCESS study from 10 medical centers in the US proved that. Even tracking only pulmonary (not systemic) symptoms, most ACCESS study patients still had stable or worse disease at their follow-up exam two to two-and-a-half years after diagnosis, based on: pulmonary function tests, shortness of breath, and x-rays.

Other clinical studies that have followed sarcoidosis patients have found similar results, reporting spontaneous remission in less than 40 percent of patients. You need to read the full text of these articles (which you can order for a small fee through a library or via internet links) and do the math yourself. It is a matter of simple percentages.

Outcome in Sarcoidosis

British Thoracic Society Sarcoidosis Study

Long-term outcome of pediatric sarcoidosis with emphasis on pulmonary status.
This seems to be the longest-term follow-up of pediatric sarcoidosis patients. When they were re-evaluated (as adults) in 1985, "68 percent of the adults had abnormal lung function; furthermore, eight patients had reduced diffusing capacities, one had hypoxemia, and two had elevated ACE activity. Specific abnormalities were noted on two ECGs and 12 ECHOs. One individual had an elevated sedimentation rate, while another had an increased serum calcium level. Six patients had elevated IgA values, two had elevated IgM values, and two had depressed IgM values; IgG values were normal in all subjects. B- and T-cell percentages were unremarkable in all patients tested. Four individuals were anergic to skin test antigens. Long-term pulmonary morbidity was observed in four patients; in addition, one of these and four others suffered nonpulmonary sequelae." Do these people sound well to you?

Belinda

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-16-04 20:06

Manuel,

As far as we know, glucosamine (and chondroitin) will not interact with the meds on the Marshall Protocol. At least, no one has reported an adverse effect. Others have used various NSAIDs, such as Ibuprofen, acetaminophen and naprosyn, to control joint pain. All of these are available without a prescription but they do have side effects. Be sure to follow label directions and inform your doctor of any meds you've added to your regimen.

I remember that joint pain was one of my first symptoms to dissipate, only waxing with Herxheimer reactions. Just today, I was remembering the 'frozen shoulder' I had a few years ago due to 'bursitis'. No one told me at the time that this is common in autoimmune disease. After weeks of physical therapy, I got most of the range of movement back but the pain lingered. Today I realized that it is gone for good.

I hope that helps. Let us know how you're doing.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-16-04 20:13

Eurico,

I'd like to add one point to Belinda's excellent answer. Most sarcoidosis doctors do not define remission like we do. They often do not even recognize or acknowledge many symptoms of sarcoidosis. It is very common for patients to be told they are in remission when they are still reporting significant systemic symptoms. For that reason, I would read those reports of remission with a good deal of skepticism.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Susan (---.client.comcast.net)
Date:   03-17-04 00:49

Arlene,
You have described exactly the sensations I have experienced many times. I did not know the cause--I thought perhaps a case of "nerves." Hah! Thank-you for articulating your experience; it has helped me.

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Diana (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   03-17-04 02:08

Meg,

Yes, I am on Benicar - at 40mg every 6 hours. Right from the beginning of the regime (first with Diovan) I have had to be at 6 hourly spacing to supress cardiac symptoms. At about 5 and a half hours my heart sometimes thumps hard as if knocking at my chest door saying "what about my ARB?", and this is liable to continue until the ARB kicks in about an hour after I've taken it. Other symptoms increase about then too.

At 50mg of Minocin this has been tolerable. My diastolic BP is often in the mid/upper 40s, with a systolic in the 70s, although early 90s/50s is not unheard of. I don't seem to have any inkling that it is low till the systolic drops below 65. These very low numbers may partly be because I have not been able to stand for 25 years, and my body has adjusted to the low BP experienced by many paraplegics.

Looking back at my records, the really low BPs seems to be associated with bad herx. I drink a lot to keep up my fluid levels, but with Minocin at the higher dose of 75mg I have sweated enormously at night. Maybe I am losing a lot of salt, or just need to drink even more. My husband wonders if I have been just creating endotoxins at a rate faster than my body has been able to get rid of them, and it is now complaining.

My feeling is that because the Benicar (almost) successfully suppresses the cardiac symptoms at 40mg 6 hourly, I had better stick to that. Providing I feel reasonable tonight, and am prepared to take any Minocin at all, I will reduce my evening dose to 50mg today and see how I go.

Does this all sound reasonable?

Diana

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Eurico (---.sympatico.ca)
Date:   03-17-04 04:35

Thanks for the links, Belinda.

Meg, you raise a good point. We've had 2 specialists say my wife's pains are not Sarcoidosis-related. I can't imagine why they would say that. Most Sarc information mentions joint/muscle pain as a Sarc problem.

Eurico

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Marypat (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-17-04 07:28

Trevor,

A while back I read a post by you that the antibiotics seem to rid the heart of sarc fairly quickly. I've never been 'diagnosed' as having heart involvement although over the years I have had 7 'heart-like' episodes [in retrospect they were all after doing some work such as lawn mowing, etc. for hours out in the blazing sun] that never showed a cause.

I'm on Benicar 40mg 3Xday and 100mg Minocycline every other day.

Since Monday [a Mino day] I've had an 'odd' feeling in my heart - kinda like it is vibrating - it is still going on today. Pulse is 95. BP 93/65. Until today it seemed to get better for a few hours after taking the Benicar but it doesn't seem to be getting better today.

[Monday i had a contrast CT Scan of my chest to evaluate something they had seen in my lower lungs on an abdominal CT Scan (no contrast medium that time)]

My Question: Is this odd heart feeling likely to be Herx?

Thanks for your help.
Marypat

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Marypat (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-17-04 07:47

Trevor,

A correction: Sunday and Tuesday were my Mino days.

Marypat

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Kathy W (---.roadrunner.nf.net)
Date:   03-17-04 07:55


Hi


I have been on mino for 7 weeks now. I am very discouraged. I am still trying to find the dosage where I can function for a few hours a day. I have tried increasing several times however have found that on subsequent doses I just slip back into exhaustion for days. I discontinued several days ago. I will try again tomorrow on 15 or so mgs

Following a recent bankruptcy, the financial burden is a constant concern
I had hoped that I would be able to return to work at least half days soon. I am currently taking diovan. I am wondering if benicar would give me enough improvement that I might be able to work. If so it would be worth importing.
Can anyone give me some feedback on this.

Many Thanks
Kath

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Ed (---.biz.rr.com)
Date:   03-17-04 09:05

I have been taking Benicar 40mg every eight hours for about ten days now.I have not started taking the Mino yet,waiting to get the Pred. dosage down to at least the 8.5 level,currently at 12.5 mg per day. I have noticed some of the same Sarc symptoms beginning to appear since I started tapering down the Pred.Could the symptoms be caused by tapering down too quickly? I thought the Benicar would help me taper down at a faster rate.

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Sally Provo (---.ras.pdx.edu)
Date:   03-17-04 09:18

I was readying Marypat's post and was thinking that anyone with new heart symptoms should see a doctor immediately just to be safe. Sally

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Marypat (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-17-04 09:35

Sally,

Thanks for the concern. I did get an appointment with my PCP this afternoon.

Marypat

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-17-04 09:41

Sally,
Your faith in medicine's knowledge of cardiac problems is quite amazing. Perhaps you need to listen in on a few of the panic calls I get from Docs who don't have a clue what they are looking at Yes, you are right to suggest consulting Doc immediately about any cardiac symptoms, but you will need to be able to point Doc in possible directions if you expect concrete help.

MaryPat,
I am concerned about the contrast medium which was used in the CT. These can sometimes damage the kidneys. The danger is greater with a gallium scan than a CT, but there is still danger with a CT. The odd heart feeling is likely to be a D surge, or a reaction to the contrast medium, or herx. I would suggest making an appointment to talk with Doc about it ASAP and also ask him to raise the Benicar frequency to every 4 hours until you can get to see him. There is a huge difference between the blockade at 8 hour intervals and at 4 hour intervals when you are dealing with cardiac symptoms.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-17-04 09:49

Ed,
The rate at which you can taper prednisone varies, dependent on a number of factors. Every step below 20mg daily is a big step, as you are in the region where you are asking your body to start working again.

Rmember that most folks relapse when they discontinue prednisone, and the benicar is there to ease that relapse. But the relapse will still be there. Give it another week or so before expecting too much in the way of relief.

And talk with Doc about the weaning rate. I would keep it slow, especially now that you are in the critical range. Maybe 25% every 2 weeks. That is an exponential taper: 12, 9, 7, 5, 4, 3 etc

If you feel up to it, you can try a single dose of 25mg of minocycline to see what happens. Have a chat with Doc about that as well.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Marypat (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-17-04 10:07

Trevor,

Thanks!

Marypat

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-17-04 11:30

Susan Mc Laughlin asked:
My pulmonary doctor is just about 100% sure I have sarcoidosis from my xray and ct scan. I will have a biopsy done next week. I am a nervous wreck about this whole thing, especially after reading all the horrific stories on the web. So far, it looks as though I just have it in my lung and chest nodes. I did have pneumonia this past winter which I had no idea I had. I also have asthma and have had it for about 25 years or so. For the past 4 or 5 years I just haven't felt myself. I've had off and on nausea as the symptom I hate most. It's not constant, usually just off and on for a couple of days a week. I am treated (my HMO) at Lahey Clinic in Burlington, Ma. and I don't know whether or not my pulmonary doctor is open to all the information on this site. I've only seen him once. My primary doctor did put me on a 10 day course of doxycycline which I just finished because of the pneumonia which was unresolved on my ct scan. My extreme breathing problems from the winter have gone away but I still have some vague chest pains that also are off and on. I also suffer terrible anxiety attacks which I always thought were the cause of my nausea. I am extremely worried about getting worse with time. If I can't get my doctor to think about the things on this site are there any other doctors in my area that will?

How can a person reasonally stay out of the sun and if so, how long do you have to?
Is there any special diet a person with sarcoidosis should be on and where can I read about that?

Susan

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-17-04 17:32

Kathy W.,

Your Herxheimer reactions indicate that the treatment is working but I understand your need to be more functional. Benicar will probably provide a better inflammatory blockade than Diovan. If you can afford it, then it's worth a try. Here is the contact information for a pharmacy that has exported Benicar to 3 different countries for SarcInfo patients:

US Pharmacy
AS MedCare
2333 Alexadia Drive
Lexington, KY 40504
Email: sales@u..
They require a prescription from a licensed physician
They accept faxed(or .pdf filed) prescriptions
The cost for 90-40mg tabs sent to Canada is $137.62 plus $25 us shipping.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Michael C (---.client.mchsi.com)
Date:   03-17-04 17:48

Kathy W,

Like you, I had a hard time starting the mino. I have been on the protocol for about 10 weeks now. I just wanted to say, Don't get discouraged. I am using Benicar, but had to keep dropping back on the minocycline dose to find a stable point where I could still function. I ended up dropping back to just 6 mgs every other day for about 10 days, then increased to 12 mgs. I am still at 12 mgs and am getting pretty good herx still, but it is definitely tapering off. I should be able to increase my dose in another week. Even with the herx, I can tell that my mind and body are improving. Hang in there... us tortoises will finish the course too.

Michael C

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Steve Backes (---.137-206.tnt3.ij.net)
Date:   03-17-04 19:47

Does anyone know if there may be any link between amyloids and sarcoids?

My grandfather and his brother were both diagnosed with Swiss-German Familial Amyloidosis. Familial Amyloidosis is inherited with an autosomal dominant pattern. This means there is a 50/50 chance of being passed on to offspring. Both of these men had at least 3 children and none of them appear to have developed the disease. I believe there was also a sister who had children that also have not show symptoms of the disease. The "children" are now at leaast in their 70's.

My grandfather's autopsy in 1978 at age 75 stated "An intersting finding in the autopsy is the amyloid localized to the peripheral nerves and pituitary gland". I knew he suffered from peripheral nuropathy while his brother suffered in his eyes.

I know of no Sarcoid diagnosed in my family history.

Steve B.

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Arlene Kollendar (---.30.233.198.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net)
Date:   03-17-04 20:23

Susan..........Ask Meg for my email....would like to talkto you about the sensations we both sem to have...........
Arlene

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-17-04 20:27

Steve,
The genetic traits which lead to sarcoidosis and the other autoimmune diseases relate to abnormalities in the way that the immune system succumbs to intra-cellular parisitization by bacteria.

If you look at this entry in the gene bank you will see that AA Amyloidosis is related to those Nuclear-Factor-kappaB influencing diseases which we know as 'autoimmune'. Not everybody in the same family carries the same sets of gene mutations, not everybody is exposed to the same species of bacteria. Different folks in the same family tend to end up with different diseases. But they are likely all from fundamentally similar genetic susceptibilities.

See our recent paper linking RA, Lupus and Parkinson's with the aberrant D metabolism of Sarcoidosis, and MS with similar genetic mutations.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-17-04 21:12

Susan McLaughlin,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Sarcoidosis produces elevated levels of a powerul hormone called 1,25-D. Since it affects all the other hormones in your body, it may be causing your anxiety.

Your questions are pretty basic and can be answered by doing some reading on this site. Start with the patient tutorials and copy the papers for physicians for your doctor. If he refuses, let me know and I'll send you a list of doctors who may be supportive.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Kathy W (---.roadrunner.nf.net)
Date:   03-18-04 09:33


Hi Meg

Thanks for the information. Shortly after I posted yesterday, doc called with the D results (taken feb. 24) 25D = 25, previous(dec 29) was 60 1,25D = 67, previous 101 I didn't know if I was avoiding light adequately so I was delighted when he gave me the results. Doc was wondering when to repeat tests.

Thanks again
Kath

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Kathy W (---.roadrunner.nf.net)
Date:   03-18-04 09:41


Hi Michael C

Thank you for the encouragement. It seems as if benicar has it's limits too.
What kind of herx symptoms do you experience?

I like your reference to the tortoise Actually that wouldn't be so bad,we could just pull in our appendages and avoid the sun!!

Kath

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: jamie (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date:   03-18-04 10:51


hi all
started on mino 25ml for the first 2 weeks,upped dosage to 50ml
1 week ago,feel quite good,coping well.How long must i stay on
50ml b4 attempting 100ml!I know there is no need 2 rush,but i am
feeling pretty good.How long b4 i should c a difference in my facial
lesions?feel smoother,though this may b my imagination!!
Am i right in saying possibly 3/4 months?

ps hang in there friends
jamie

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Eurico (---.bank-banque-canada.ca)
Date:   03-18-04 12:49

My wife got the lung biopsy results from the pulmonologist a while ago and he says it's stage 1 (radiologically-speaking) Sarcoidosis. He said that 75% of such patients end up having remission without any medical intervention. He said he wouldn't give steroids or other med at this stage.

He also said that her pain (all over) is most likely not Sarcoidosis-related since she's only had the breathing problems for a few short months, whereas the pains have been around for a few years. I asked is it not possible for the Sarcoidosis to have started elsewhere (before the lungs) and he said that's not usually the case. She has bumps in her groin area, fatigue/weakness, bladder control problems, temperature-regulation, vision and swallowing problems, but the pain is the worst. He wants a CT scan of her groin area.

I showed him the Marshall Protocol but he basically said don't read too much off the internet and that he can't jump into a protocol which isn't approved and that he's opening himself up to possible problems with the medical College if problems arise. I did convince him to order the Vitamin-D tests. My wife is depressed at just having to live with the pain.

Eurico

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-18-04 12:53

Eurico,
Yes, so Doc told you that fairy story about 75% of Stage I sarcoidosis goes into remission.

Well, if you buy that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that needs a new owner...

..Trevor..

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Alice (---.rochester.rr.com)
Date:   03-18-04 13:04

I have just recently diagnosis with sarcoidosis. I did not have any symptoms or so I thought until I began researching the disease after being diagnosis. Mostly the symptoms have been very mild and appear during the winter months?? Because I smoked for over 35 years I assumed that it was the smoking that caused me to have really bad chest colds in the winter months. Now I know better and I have quit smoking. My doctor seems to think that this disease will go away on its own and that I should wait until I get sick before trying to do something about it. I however, feel as though there should be something that can be done as a preventative measure. I have changed my diet but what else should I do? If anyone has answers please let me know.
Alice

 
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Author: Eurico (---.bank-banque-canada.ca)
Date:   03-18-04 13:36

Trevor, believe me, my wife and I are quite confident of the MP. Discussing it with specialists can be a very frustrating exercise in patience.

While we were waiting to see the doc, I quickly glanced through the following fascinating article in the March 22 Canadian issue of Time magazine (which I even showed the doc) - it talks about inflammatory/autoimmune diseases and even mentions bacteria and mycoplasma as possible sources - here's the link:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040223/

It seems that the U.S. issue was published Feb. 23, 2004. It even refers to MS, Alzheimer's, ALS, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis and cancer as having similar root cause. I guess you've hit the nail right on the nose, Trevor. As I suspected, it looks like you're definitely on the right track to stardom.

Eurico

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-18-04 13:39

Alice,
As I answered to Eurico, anybody who explores the resources available to research the Internet quickly finds that Sarcoidosis is a disease which doesn't go away. Just look at any of the sarcoidosis message boards. None of these folks can be regarded as 'fully healthy'.

I can tell you that, based on a knowledge of what causes this disease, sarcoid inflammation never disappears from any patient with biopsy verified granuloma unless there is specialized antibiotic treatment. It doesn't matter where the granuloma were found, because the disease spreads throughout the entire body. From brain to toe.

You have been living with some of the symptoms all your life, and you recognize them as "normal", as part of life. But a healthy person does not have to grapple with the problems sarc folks have learnt to live with. This becomes even more obvious as more and more patients achieve full remission. Their health does not merely 'return', they get healthier than they have ever experienced before.

My suggestion is to deal with the disease now. The longer you take the more damage it will cause.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Tom Rogers (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date:   03-18-04 13:39

Not sure if I asked this before but, I need to be pre-medicated for dental appointments. Since I am on Minocycline for Sarcoidosis, I will stop that 48+ hours before pre-medicating for dentist.

My question is: they gave me Clindamycin 150mg (cause I'm allergic to Penicillin) and want me to take 4 one hour prior to procedure. Is this drug a tetracycline and if so (and if not) will it cause me big time Herx to take this? Like, will I have trouble breathing, have big time aches and pains, etc?

TIA,

-Tom

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-18-04 13:43

Tom,
If Clindamycin had a major effect on Sarc patients then anybody who goes to the dentist would have been cured. Relax. Take what Doc suggests. Nobody has reported severe herx from Clindamycin.

..Trevor..
ps: make sure you have Benicar (4 hourly) available, just in case...

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-18-04 14:18

Alice,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Trevor is so right about sarc patients becoming accustomed to their symptoms and eventually accepting them as normal. The medical community encourages this when they do not have a solution to a problem. It reminds me of when I was told as a nursing student, 35 yrs ago, that dementia was a normal part of the aging process.

I've been on the Marshall Protocol for a little over a year and I can honestly say, that although I'm not 100%, I have never felt better or been healthier. Numerous quality-of-life symptoms that I thought were just part of my genetic makeup or normal symptoms of aging are now gone. No more aches and pains. No more irritability (sorry, dear hubby for all those years of intermittant gouchiness). No more sleep disturbances, depression, night sweats, skin lesions, mental fogginess, fatigue, hair loss, unexplained tooth pain...well, I think you get the picture. I can honestly say that learning I had saroidosis and finding this site is one of the best things that ever happened to me. Because of it, I have regained my health and expect to avoid many health problems that I thought were unavoidable.

Take a look around SarcInfo. I'll email you instructions on navigating the site and our new guideline to starting the Marshall Protocol. We hope you'll join us and begin your road to recovery.

Meg

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-18-04 14:26

Kathy W.,

Congratulations on your excellent test results. You are proving that the tortoise will win the race. You've done a great job reducing your Vitamin D but you've got a ways to go so don't drop your diligence. Vitamin D is stored in body fat so it takes a few months to dissipate. You want to deprive your sarc inflammation of the fuel it needs to continue producing 1,25-D.

Your lowered 1,25-D proves the Diovan is working for you. Even though you still feel pretty miserable with Herxheimer, you have proof now that yuor inflammation is lessened. I hope your doctor was suitably impressed.

Keep up the good work,

Meg

 
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Author: Lee (---.fai.acsalaska.net)
Date:   03-18-04 14:39

Hi,
I just got diagnosed with Sarcoid today from results of a recent bronoscophy. I have been reading the info on this website as Sarcoid was suspected two weeks ago.
Please send me a copy of the Marshall Protocol.

Thanks,
Lee

 
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Author: jamie (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date:   03-18-04 14:45


hi trevor/meg

started on mino 25ml for the first 2 weeks,upped dosage to 50ml
1 week ago,feel quite good,coping well.How long must i stay on
50ml b4 attempting 100ml!I know there is no need 2 rush,but i am
feeling pretty good.How long b4 i should c a difference in my facial
lesions?feel smoother,though this may b my imagination!!
Am i right in saying possibly 3/4 months?meg

ps hang in there friends
jamie

 
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Author: Todd (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date:   03-18-04 15:24


Hello all -

Was diagnosed with pleuresy in January and was sent for a chest x-ray. Chest x-ray showed a "shadow" so was sent for Spiral CT which showed an undiagnosed mass in my chest. Was sent for a PET scan that showed an intense intake to my lymph nodes. This was suggested as probably lymphoma. Went to a few specialists and they agreed it could be lymphoma, but that it could also be sarcoidosis. Had a fine-needle biopsy done during an endoscopy and results are non-malignant and they are suggesting that it might be sarcoidosis.

This is where I am today - what's next? Wha are your suggstions?

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-18-04 17:47

Hi Lee,

I sent you a copy. Please follow it exactly and let us know if you have any questions. We'd also love to hear how you get along.

Meg

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-18-04 18:00

Hi Todd,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Did you have any lab work done? Such as ACE, tryglycerides, alkaline phosphatase and C-reactive protein? These are all inflammatory markers. Also informative would be your CBC with % lymphocytes. When they do a biopsy for suspected sarcoidosis, they are looking for granulomatous tissue. A needle biopsy, though, could have missed the relevant tissue.

Ask your doctor to run the D-metabolites. Be sure the blood for 1,25-D is sent to the lab frozen. And ask for the tests I mentioned if they were not run. These are a lot simpler than the testing you've been through and will give your doctor an indication of the amount of your systemic inflammation. If your D-tests are high, you can bet it's sarcoidosis. Benicar will bring 1,25-D down and minocycline provides an excellent therapeutic probe for further diagnostic confirmation.

You can also try avoiding all sources of Vitamin D to see if it makes you feel better. That's another clue.

I'll send you a copy of the Marshall Protocol guideline. Please share it with your doctor. The testing details are in there. Feel free to ask any questions.
My money's on sarcoidosis.

Good luck,

Meg

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-18-04 18:10

Hi Jamie,

Please reread sections 8 and 9 of the Marshall Protocol for info on ramping up the minocylcine dose.

Everyone's different but patients have reported resolution of skin lesions in a few months. Certainly improvement can be expected in that time. My skin lesions took a full year to totally disappear, however.

Meg

 
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Author: Todd (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date:   03-18-04 22:26


Here is another question:

I also had an abdominal/pelvic CT done which showed abdominal lymphadenopathy.

I've been looking all over the net and this seems to be an infrequent symptom. I see that while any lymph node (or tissue) can be involved, it is frequently limited to mediastinal lymphadenopathy.

What are your thoughts regarding this and does the involvement of the LNs in the abdomen signify anything specific?

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-19-04 00:39

Todd,
The emphasis on Lymph Nodes in the thoracic region is a legacy from a focus on the pulmonary aspects of the disease. Treatment of Sarcoidosis has been dominated by Pulmonologists for the last half century, and it is hard (for me) to see how they could have done a worse job. Sarc patients are killed by the extra-pulmonary manifestations of the disease more frequently than by the pulmonary.

I would say that it is rare for a sarc patient not to have enlarged LNs in the neck. Few sarc patients can fully rotate their head (for example, while driving) without some restriction by swollen LNs. These return to normal during abx therapy.

Distended abdominal LNs merely mean that they are receiving blood contaminated by microbes. It means that you have adominal involvement. Again, not unusual, IMO. Doc will notice it eventually, when your Alkaline Phosphatase or liver enzymes or Triglycerides or Creatinine or CRP suddenly go "out of range".

You can find out the extent of your systemic sarcoid involvement right now by measuring your 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin-D and 25-hydroxyvitamin-D levels. Throw in soluble-Interleukin-2-Receptor (sIL2R) for good measure, if you like.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Diana (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   03-19-04 04:14

Trevor,

I had a load of blood taken last Wednesday, and everything was stated to be within the normal range except that I have "mild anaemia". Could this be due to the Olmetec (40mg, 6 hourly)? The doctor has suggested I reduce the dosage if I can (there is no obvious cause - no change of diet or whatever - and he is understandably cautious about a dose higher than "normal"). He does however recognise that "there are many factors which you prefer to adjust for yourself to control your symptoms" and that it may be better to put up with mild anaemia than jeopardise MP treatment. Cardiac symptoms put in an appearance at about the 5 and a half hour stage.

There is nothing to suggest anaemia as a side effect in Olmetec's instructions, but the Minocycline leaflet states as a possible effect: "Effects on the blood: changes in the number and types of certain blood cells." Is the minocycline more likely to be the culprit? I had just upped the dose to 75mg 3 times a week, but have now had to reduce it again to 50mg.

Has anyone else had this problem?

Diana

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-19-04 04:40

Diana,
You have a deadly immune disease called sarcoidosis (which, we hope, is on the run). Didn't anybody stop to think that the mild anemia could be due to re-balancing of your immune system?

In fact, mild anemia is common in sarcoid patients. My own MCV has been marginally low for 3 decades.

Macrophages in the granuloma accrete ferritin. Supplementation does more harm than good.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Diana (---.cache.pol.co.uk)
Date:   03-19-04 05:14

Trevor,

Thanks. I'll pass your comments on, and stick to my present regime. No doubt I'll be tested again in due course.

Diana

 
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Author: Di (---.in-addr.btopenworld.com)
Date:   03-19-04 07:25

Belinda,

I asked a few weeks back about drinking aloe vera juice, and have recently been speaking again to the 'aloe advocate', who is a reflexologist. She tells me that it has to be pure aloe, organic, undiluted, straight from the plant. I am very doubtful as to whether this would make any difference, but could you let me know if that's what you took. I printed out the Merck description of sarcoidosis symptoms to explain why I wouldn't take the supplements they were suggesting - perhaps I should just direct her to the SarcInfo thread on the subject.

I enjoy the reflexology even though I know it has no real medical value. It is relaxing and induces a general feeling of well-being, and that is genuinely beneficial, especially after a busy day!

Di

 
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Author: Ed (---.biz.rr.com)
Date:   03-19-04 07:49

It was suggested that I try 25mg of Minocycline.I have 100mg capsules.Is there any effective way to get the 25mg from a 100mg capsule?Also is it okay to increase the Benicar dosage from 40mg 3x daily to 40mg every 4 to 6 hours,or is that higher dosage only used for severe herx reactions? I am tapering down on my pred dosage and starting to feel the sarc symptoms again.I do have cardiac sarc and my Vit d levels were high when tested last month.

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-19-04 08:12

Ed,
The way to cut down the dosage is to titrate away 3/4 of the 100mg capsule. Some pharmacists will do this for you. You can also buy empty capsules at some health food stores and divide the 100mg capsule up into 4 capsules.

Taking Benicar every 4 hours gives almost complete blockade, and should be used if you are having cardiac problems or a real bad bout of herx. Talk with Doc about it so that you can use the higher dose if and when you need to.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-19-04 09:16

Diana,

I had an episode of anemia last Spring which alarmed my hematologist since I also have MGUS (monoclonal gammopathy of undetermined significance). Further testing revealed no other abnormalities so it was surmised that a virus may have affected my hemoglobin and hematocrit. She did not suspect the minocycline I was taking. I was retested two weeks later and to my relief the levels were back to their usual low normal. Since then, while researching information on the Herxheimer reaction, I learned that anemia can be caused by a Herxheimer flare. That made me feel a whole lot better-it was probably just our friend Herx.

Meg

 
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Author: Nuala Kelly (---.mad.east.verizon.net)
Date:   03-19-04 10:36

I am pleased to have found your website and look forward to reading all the helpful information it provides!

I was diagnosed with sarcoidosis in December 1996 following a biopsy of my parotid gland. Prior to diagnosis, I was experiencing lacrimal gland and severe partotid gland inflammation. My chest x-ray was clear at that time and again in December 1998. I did not take any medication and the visible inflammation subsided after approximately 2 months.

In February 2004, I had severe chest/back pain and breathing issues. Chest x-ray showed suspicious shadow in right upper lobe and infiltration. Biaxin and Advair was prescribed, but no change was noted on chest x-ray after approx. 2 1/2 weeks so discontinued taking. Bronchoscopy was then performed on March 1st, however, it appears they did not get the appropriate tissue ("possible sampling error" they said) as tissue biopsy came back as normal lung tissue. I was wondering if the CWD bacteria would still show up in this "normal" tissue if pathologist utilized the Intensified Kinyoun stain (or the process/stains you noted on the website) or if this is only appropriate to perform on granulomatous tissue.

I had a PET scan and chest CT scan performed on March 17th and am awaiting results. Will these scans be able to confirm sarcoidosis progression to lungs as I do not want to repeat bronchoscopy.

I am going to ask my doctor to run my D metabolites and soluble-Interleukin-2 Receptor. Before reading your website I was only aware of ACE level as inflammation indicator. I know my ACE level and sedimentation rates have been consistently elevated. In recent blood work, my ACE level was 72 (lowest it has been in 7 years). My lymphocytes were low (419); my triglycerides, creatinine, and alkaline phosphatase were normal at 55, .7, and 66, respectively. My sed rate was 73 prior to taking the Biaxin antibiotic and went down to 4 afterwards. It also showed slight anemia which I see is not surprising.

My primary care doctor suspected this recent lung involvement to be TB (my TB skin test was negative) cause rather than sarcoidosis on the basis that my ACE level (72) was lower than it had been in my December 2003 blood work (118) and I did not have any noticable breathing/lung issues last year. Unfortunately, I don't know where D metabolite levels have been. Does the ACE level necessarily mean the higher the number, the worse the inflammation? Or is it that the D metabolites are actually the truer indicator.

I was hoping to have a copy of the Marshall Protocol sent to me. I am hoping it outlines minocycline/dioxycycline recommendations on dosage, how long to take to confirm remission, and how often to repeat D metabolite tests. I will continue to read all the info you have provided on the website too! I now see how important it is to manage this process and really appreciate any information or insights your can provide.

Many thanks!
Nuala Kelly

 
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Author: Nuala Kelly (---.mad.east.verizon.net)
Date:   03-19-04 10:47

I just wanted to send a follow-up to the previous note sent as I just read something that gave me a bit of concern.

I mentioned I had a PET scan and Chest CT scan. My CT scan was performed with contrast medium (100 cc's of Optiray 320). I did have a bad reaction -- severe redness and hives afterwards. I took Benedryl.
Were these scans potentially more harmful than good?

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-19-04 12:25

Hi Nuala,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Since you have a biopsied diagnosis of sarcoidosis from 1996, there is no real reason to biopsy anything else. Your visible inflammation at that time may have disappeared but your sarcoidosis continued to smolder. Your recent respiratory symptoms would indicate that the sarcoidosis has progressed to your lungs. This is the most logical explanation.

Doctors like the visual proof of organ involvement that a biopsy provides because they are trying to decide if you condition is serious enough to prescribe Prednisone. Your chest xray revealed pulmonary involvement so, IMO, the chest CT and PET scan were unnecessary. And yes, they probably did you more harm than good in view of your allergic reaction to the dye.

Your doctors suspicions of TB is puzzling. He seems to think that your lowered ACE level rules out sarcoidosis when he should know that ACE is an unreliable indicator because it is affected by other factors and many patients with active sarcoidosis never have an elevated ACE.

There is no real point in trying to locate the CWD bacteria in your recently biopsied lung tissue. This is a difficult and time-consuming process. Your clinical presentation and abnormal lab results all point to sarcoidosis. The D-metabolite tests would add further weight to the diagnosis. Since the Marshall Protocol is so safe, that is all the testing that you need.

I'll email you a copy of How To Start the Marshall Protocol. Let us know if it doesn't answer all your questions.

Meg

 
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Author: Belinda (---.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net)
Date:   03-19-04 13:46

Di,

It's been a few years, but I drank aloe juice in bottles from Sam's Club. I remember checking to be sure that there was nothing else in there, but it's possible I would have overlooked a bit of water. It was not as thick as the juice from the aloe leaf is when it's sliced open. But who would want to drink that?

I can tell you though, that all my abdominal pain is gone after more than a year on the Marshall Protocol, which amazes both me and my doctor.

Belinda

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-19-04 14:11

Sally,

Your concern is understandable. Cardiac symptoms should never be taken lightly. The problem is that most doctors do not understand or know how to treat cardiac symptoms in a sarcoidosis patient. There is always the possibility of a concurrent, unrelated cardiac problem. But the logical explanation for cardiac symptoms in a sarcoidosis patient who is taking minocycline is the Herxheimer reaction. When this patient goes to the doctor complaining of palpitations or chest pain, the doctor will want to do a full cardiac workup. This will rule out non-sarcoidosis cardiac etiology and the patient will be labeled as having cardiac sarcoidosis. Uninformed and alarmed doctors have wanted to prescribe anti-arrhythmic medication or Prednisone which studies show do not work.

This study about untreated cardiac sarcoidosis reports that anti-arrhythmics and steroids are ineffective and eventually pacemaker/defibrillators are needed.

Initial treatment of cardiac Herxheimer symptoms should be Benicar 40mg increased to every 4 hours. If this doesn't effect an immediate lessening of symptoms, continue the Benicar every four hours and do not take the next antibiotic dose. Reducing the minocycline dose should reduce the severity of cardiac symptoms.

Your experience with cardiac symptoms related to antibiotic administration is typical. I'm glad you are feeling better. I'm sorry to hear about your husband's heart problems. I hope it is something easily corrected with surgery.

Meg

 
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Author: kimberly (---.roa.east.verizon.net)
Date:   03-19-04 19:45

hello i was dig. with sarcoid three yrs ago and so far i have do well be for the last three months i have been have chest pain, short of breath, when ibreath my upper back hurt. i went to the er the er dr. say it could be inflam. in the chest wall. is that sarcoid? but every time i go to my dr. he keep on telling me it's lupus, i was in the hosp.feb16,2001 untell mar 3,2001 with sarcoid .now he want to change it .the dr.he in roanoke va are sorry i really think they do not know what is going on. is it possible for sarcoid to change into lupus. the ace level was to high or something to say i can't rember. now my right hip bone is rubbing thought my skin because i can feel it i have been go to the dr. for this about a year in a half i final get in today for a xray they was say it the persiona.could have done it.if my hip hurt that i have to walk on a cane i can feel the bone rubbing and my right leg swall so bad that it scare looking.my ankle swallow sometime i can't put on my shoe, does lupus do you like this. my eyes have began to swallow they are bloodshot red they hurt i have try vision feel like someting is in the back of my eyeball sticking me someday they are yellow and red. but the dr. say i have lupus. i know what i got do you think i have lupus or sarcoid. can sarcoid go away just like that and you get something else like lupus. if anyone from roanoke virginia read this please e-mail ok or anyone with information to help me out please e-mail me i am lost and do not know which way to turn because i have it hard. please help. thank you


kimberly

 
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Author: Hayden (---.s113.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com)
Date:   03-19-04 20:33

Nuala

My doc wants me to take Biaxin instead of Zithromax so I was glad to hear that Biaxin has helped you.

Do you recall how long it took Biaxin to reduce your sed rate from 73 to4?

Hayden

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-19-04 21:04

Hi Kimberly,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Your story reads like a classic sarcoidosis saga. I'm sorry that your doctors are confused now about your diagnosis. It's unlikely that you have lupus if you've already been diagnosed with sarcoidosis. At any rate, it doesn't really matter because the treatment is the same.

Take a look around this website and you will see how to put your sarcoidosis into remission. I'll email you directions about navigating the site and a copy of our guideline to starting the Marshall Protocol to share with your doctor.

Let us know if you have any questions not answered after you read the site information.

Meg

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-19-04 21:12

Hayden,

Biaxin may have had nothing to do with lowering Nuala's sed rate. We have used Biaxin early in our development of the Marshall Protocol and we learned that Zithromax plus minocycline is much more effective.

I'll send you a copy of How To Start the Marshall Protocol. Please share it with your doctor. We've already done the experimenting for you. If you want to ensure success, you must follow the Protocol exactly. Biaxin is recommended only after all the bacteria that is susceptible to minocycline and Zithromax are eliminated. If your doctor has any questions, please encourage him to call Trevor.

Good luck,

Meg

 
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Author: Camelle M. Read (---.cvx38-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net)
Date:   03-19-04 22:53

Dear Trevor or Meg,

I was hoping that one of you could comment on whether taking the Benicar with the antibiotics is necessary or if there is some other drug that could be substituted. I was in my doctor's office today discussing this protocol for treatment of my sarcoidosis and my doctor (who is also a personal friend) said that he is very hesitant to try this regiment as my blood pressure is naturally so low (today's was 108/49). He is very afraid that I would have severe problems being on the Benicar.

Thanks, Camelle

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-19-04 23:50

Camelle,

It's nice to hear from you. Your blood pressure is almost exactly what mine was when I started Benicar. Many others have had even lower starting pressures and done just fine. A few have had difficulty with orthostatic hypotension and required a reduction in dosage but not frequency. Benicar is a weak anti-hypertensive but a powerful anti-inflammatory. A couple other ARBs are a distant second substitute which we recommend only for patients who live in countries where Benicar is unavailable and cannot be imported.

If your doctor is nervous about the hypotensive side effect, you can ramp up slowly as described in the F.A.Q. tutorial while monitoring your blood pressure and symptoms. This should ensure that you will have no significant adverse effects. Remember, though, that Benicar reduces the 1,25-D rapidly and many patients have neurological-type 'withdrawal' symptoms for the first week or two which can be confused with Benicar side effects.

I'll email you the details of my Benicar experience and a copy of How To Start The Marshall Protocol. It is a guideline that should be followed exactly to ensure success.

Good luck,

Meg

 
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Author: angie (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-20-04 01:02

Hi All. I was diagnosed with sarcoid 4 years ago from skin biopsy. It lay dormant for about a year then I got left bundle branch block of the heart with severe breathing problems. No sign of sarc on chest xrays.Then in November last year it was full blown sarcoid with sarc in all joints eyes etc. My question is what kicks it into being full blown sarcoid. Is it an accumulation of bugs plus sunlight and Vit D in the diet? I have been on the TM protocol since then and am slowly getting well . Mino and you all are totally amazing. Thankyou Angie

 
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Author: Kerry (---.hawaii.rr.com)
Date:   03-20-04 01:26

I am going to try to keep this as short as I can, but the last year and a half have been so difficult, so much has happened. There is so much on this website, but I do not know if it all pertains to me. Let me tell you my story, and maybe someone out there can point me in the right dirrection.
From 1994 to 1997 I was in the US Navy. I worked with Hazardous waste. (Nothing nuclear). We were well within all the federal and osha laws. I do not know if there was something that I was exposed to during that time or not. Then in 1998 I became pregnant with my first baby. It was a surprize pregnancy, I went to the Dr. because the lymph nodes in my groin were the size of small walnuts and were causing me great pain. It was discovered that I was pregnant, so nothing more was done to find out why the nodes were so large. They did return to a normal size after the first trimester. My daughter was born Feb 1999 and I seemed fine. Then I got pregnant right away again. In the first trimester I experienced great pain, went to the ER and was diagnosed with gallstones. It was a very difficult pregnancy, I only gained 11 lbs. My second daughter was born on May 2000 and keeping to a low fat diet kept the gall-baldder attacks at bay. Then I got pregnant again, this time it was planned! The pregnancy was so much easier. I gained lots of weight and had a boy in Dec 2001. The weight did not go away. By the summer of 2002 I weighed over 200 lbs. (I quit looking at scales after 200 lbs.) Then we moved to Hawaii and I began to work out, got myself to 185 lbs. Then I injured pulled the intercostal ligaments on my right ribcage. It was extremely painful, especially with my nightly hiccups. The Dr. prescribed naproxen. Then I began to experience pain in my entire abodomen, starting in the upper left quadrent and radiated everywhere. An ultra-sound showed gallstones (and an enlarged spleen, but noone was concerned about this), so in March of 2003 I had my gall-bladder removed laproscopically. This did not fix anything. I went to Drs, was told I had IBS, told to take fiber supplements, this made my symtoms worse. Then I FINALLY got a referal to a Gastroenterologist in September. By this time I weighed 140 lbs. He did a scope and found seven ulcers in my duodenum. I had no heartburn or erosions in my esophogus, and tested negative for the h.pylori bacteria. He prescribed aciphex and told me to avoid cafeine, wich I never drink anyway. Six weeks later he wanted to repeat the scope. By that time I was down to 119 lbs. This time the scope showed ten ulcers. He upped the aciphex. All the meanwhile I was in the ER constantly for terrible pain and vomitting. Twice was by ambulance because I was so dehydrated and my husband was deployed. Six weeks later the scope was repeated and showed five ulcers. Now I was on nine aciphex a day, mind you it is only FDA approved for 2. He said that my ulcers were highly resistant to healing and I needed to see the surgeon to look at options for surgery. He also said that there was bile in my stomache that should not have been there since I had been fasting. I went back to the surgeon who was not keen on surgery. He wanted the scans and an upper GI with a small bowel follow thru. He also wanted me to see a different Gastroenterologist and have another scope and a colonoscopy. (This time the scope showed that my ulcers were freshly healed and the colonoscopy was normal.) The small bowel follow thru showed a blocakge in my small bowel. He repeated the barium swallow to get a really good look at the blockage. This was why I had ulcers, the blockage was causing bile to sit in my stomache. SO surgery was done in Feb 2004. They could not find the blockage. What they did find was that almost all the lymph nodes in my abdomin were very enlarged. One was biopsied and when I had my follow up this Thursday the surgeon told me that non-caseating granuloma was found. He said that if this was in my chest cavity it would be sarcoid. However, my lungs look and sound great. He told me to go to a the gastroenterologist and see what he thinks. So I have an appointment with him on April 1. The surgeon said I may simply need a corticosteroid. I have done a little research and am wondering about autoimune diseases. What questions should I be asking the GI? Is there another kind of speciallist I can see? I am still experiencing pain in my abdomin, mostly when I eat too much. I now weigh 126. It seems that I have many of the symtoms of such an autoimmune disease: fatigue, sleep disturbances, emotional liability, excessive hair loss, gastrointestinal problems (bloating, cramps, IBS-like symptoms), dry eyes, disequilibrium, over doing it when I feel good and then feeling worse for days afterward and low blood pressure. I worry that my ulcers are back. Any ideas? Any direction I can be pointed in? I still take two aciphex a day and one zantac. This is all overwhelming and I worry that the Doctors will just give me the run around like they have been for the last 14 months. At this point I am also fighting a cold in my sinuses and the glands in my neck are very swollen and tender. Please point me in some dirrection. Thank-you - Kerry

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-20-04 06:58

Angie,
There is a direct relationship between flares and exposure to sunlight/vitamin-D. I have some hypotheses as to why this is so, and how the flare occurs, but haven't described the chemistry publicly yet.

Don't stay on the Minocycline monotherapy too long, once you can tolerate 100mg of minocycline every 48 hours it is important to start adding Azithromycin (per the stage II protocol). Otherwise you will not continue to make headway against the microbes.

Kerry,
Sarcoidosis is a systemic disease. It affects every organ in the body, as the bacteria slowly proliferate. Once the non-caseating granuloma have been found anywhere in your body it is safe to assume that they are widespread.

You don't need specialists, although there are a few rheumatologists on our list. Typically all you need is an understanding primary care physician to implement the protocol.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-20-04 07:23

Hi Kerry,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Thanks for sharing your story. I'm sorry that your doctor does not understand that sarcoidosis is a systemic disease. A small percentage of us do not have lung involvement but we have enough trouble with other symptoms.

I'll email you a copy of How to Start the Marshall Protocol to share with your doctor. Let us know if you have any questions you cannot find the answer to on this site.

Good luck,

Meg

 
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Author: angie (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-20-04 14:31

Trevor. thanx for your reply. You had told me before to stay on Mino 100mg for a month. I was unable to do so as the herx was too painful I have no ARB in place.I have now completed 2 weeks at 75mg with a little herx mainly burning in hands and feet. I shall try again to go up to 100 mg Mino starting this Sunday and see how I go. Does this sound alright to you please?

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-20-04 14:46

Angie,
There must have been some misunderstanding. Everything I write says to not take any more dosage of antibiotics than you can comfortably tolerate.

So you are doing the correct thing by dropping back the dose to a comfortable level. I would stay at that level until you start to wear down the bacterial load, or until you find a sensible physician who will help you with Benicar, as the protocol dictates.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: susank (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-20-04 16:14

Hi everyone,

I have been coming to this site since I was diagnosed last october with sarcoid following a mediastinoscopy. Sarcinfo has been a great source of information and understanding.

I brought a copy of the Marshall Protocol as well other papers printed from the top of this site with me to my pulmonogists on fri march 19th.

I was truly shocked that my doctor and her fellow disregarded all the info and the Protocol that I brought from this site. It might as well have been a fairy-tail in their eyes!

They told me sarcoidosis was still a disease of unknown origin. They were unwilling to do the blood work for 1,25-D or any other tests that Trevor recomends.

I know many of you have been in the same lousy situation, however, I must admit that I felt more hopeful because I live in NYC and my docs are all at big University hospitals. Now my hopes are really dashed.

Since I am on medicaid, the only medical care I have access to is in clinic hours of these University clinics. Some even name their service Sarcoidosis Clinic or advanced lung disease clinic. They might as well as call it Bozo clinic for all of the good it does me!

I am aware that lists of physicians who believe in the protocol are not ever shared at this site for a miriad of reasons. Would it be possible to give my email address to those are also in the nyc area and have found a sympatico physician?

I'm feeling really down at this point and could use all the help I can get. Thank you all and God bless.
susank

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-20-04 16:37

SusanK,
Sorry you met intransigent physicians. Unfortunately, since the unravelling of the human genome and the surge in knowledge coming from molecular medicine, many physicians have decided it is just not possible to spend the time needed to properly assimilate modern medical knowledge.

I am not sure why so many Doctors have tended to allow themselves to become so dependent upon what they are told by the drug companies, but there is an active discussion of that issue in a recent BMJ. The BMJ says that over the last 60 years many physicians have become overly dependent on information from drug companies, and seem to have lost the ability to reason for themselves.

I suggest you look for an MD who also has a PhD. They tend to 'follow' less and 'think' more. I am sure there will be someone in your hospital in that category. A rheumatologist, perhaps?

..Trevor..

 
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Author: susank (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-20-04 16:55

Thank you so much Trevor,

My Hospital's next sarcoidosis support meeting is bringing in a rhemotologist to speak with us. S/he might bring something new to the table. I will keep my fingers crossed and let you know.
susan

 
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Author: david Jenkins (168.133.61.---)
Date:   03-20-04 16:55

I have been sick on and off since 1992. I have experienced alot of different symptoms described in this message board. In 2000 I had an abnormal chest xray that led to a lung biopsy and dx of stage 3 sarcoidosis. Now it all makes sense. The lung Dr. says it is stable and since my last visit my eyes have flared up alot. I have what appears to my family doc as conjunctivitis and she said there appears to be an "ulcer" or lesion on the underside of my upper eylid. during the day (afternoon usually) i get yellowish-red patches on the corneas of my eyes. The ointment she rx'd has not helped and it actually makes it worse. I also have temporary periods of mental confusion/memory loss. I have experienced a few dizzy spells in which remaining upright is difficult usually when looking down. I don't want to get paranoid and think all these things are from sarc. Is a pulmonologist the right kind of dr. to see for this?

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-20-04 17:03

David,
Sarcoid inflammation occurs throughout the whole body. Eyes are very commonly involved, as are their heart, muscles, brain, liver, kidneys, gall bladder, spleen -- you name it...

Once a patients has had non-caseating granuloma detected anywhere in their body it is a safe bet to assume that any malaise is most likely stemming from the sarcoid inflammation.

Every symptom you mentioned is commonly found in sarcoid patients. Pulmonologists, for reasons best known to themselves, seem to judge a patient's condition solely based on Chest CT/Xrays, PFTs, and the state of the disease in your lungs. I personally find that Internists with a Pulmonary sub-specialty seem to provide a better systemic overview...

There is a discussion here on "assorted eye problems" and I suggest you look it over carefully.

Welcome to SarcInfo.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-20-04 17:30

Hi david,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Your eye problems sound like uveitis and cutaneous lesions, both common in sarcoidosis. The neurological symptoms you mentioned are indicative of a high 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin-D level. You don't have to settle for "stable" and a slow deterioration of your health. I'll email you a copy of How To Start the Marshall Protocol. Please share it with your doctor.

Good luck,

Meg

 
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Author: Todd (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date:   03-20-04 18:53


Here is my cytopathology report:

Celiac Lymph Node-Transgastric FNA: No Evidence of Malignancy, Consistent with Granulomatous Lymphadenitis. The specimen is composed of groups of epithelioid histiocytes, a few lymphocytes, and rare multinucleated giant cells. Acid fast and GMS stains do not reveal any micro-organisms.

Based on the reading I have done, this seems to be exactly what sarcoidosis looks like from a biopsy.

There is one confusing point though that makes me wonder if there is a problem that is occuring WITH the sarc.

I also have a mass adjacent to the gastroesophageal junction/distal esophagus that showed "intense uptake" during a recent FDG-PET. It measures 2.2 x 1.8 cm. No one has been able to tell me if this is another enlarged LN or if it is something else.

So, just looking for an educated guess here. Has anyone seen anything like this "mass" involved with sarc?

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-20-04 19:52

Todd,
T-cell sarc inflammation can cause nodules and masses. Sometimes you see them referred to as "thymal" masses, sometimes not.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Lee (---.fai.acsalaska.net)
Date:   03-20-04 22:18

Meg,
Thank you for a copy of the protocol. I do have a couple of questions. I am currently on 100mg of Minocin (M,W,F) for lupus. I have read "The New Arthritis Breakthrough" and so was already familiar with the CWD bacteria and suspected involvement in autoimmune diseases. Minocin has effectively kept the lupus manageable without the addition of the usual heavier drugs for lupus.
In January I had a flare of the lupus due to tremendous stress and change in life. Fearing that the heart or lungs might have been affected, a chest x-ray was ordered. It showed enlarged lymph nodes so a CT scan was done. At the same time, the lupus calmed but I became sick which I assumed was the flu or pneumonia. I was very weak and could not leave the house but after taking a 5 day script for Zithromax I felt better though not well.
The CT scan showed nodules and very enlarged lymph nodes in the chest so a biopsy was done due to continuing symptoms and family history of cancer. Sarcoid was diagnosed.
The lupus flare begin the middle of January with the flu/sarcoid symptoms beginning a week later. Even before the biopsy our guess was sarcoid so I have been reading this site and my non-lupus symptoms aligned with sarcoid symptoms. I had another 5 day round of Zithromax when I once again became very weak and it helped by the next day.
I started Advair and Albuterol (as needed) on Thursday because of severe shortness of breath and weakness. I want to stop these meds as soon as possible. Since I am already on Minocin can I just add Benicar at the suggested dose?
I see my doctor on the 31st of March but will give him the protocol info on Monday. I can also request the script for Benicar so that I can get started this week. I would appreciate suggestions. I am grateful for this site as this was a very tough time to get Sarcoidosis.
Thank you for your time,

Lee

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-20-04 22:34

Lee,
The antibiotic regimes we have optimized for sarcoidosis are also proving optimum against the bacteria causing Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis. They are all Th1 diseases, and apparently have a very similar mix of bacterial species involved in fueling the inflammation.

Benicar is working well in RA, and I am sure it will make a big difference to you. One word of warning, however, the Angiotensin Receptor Blockade (Benicar) will make the microbes much more susceptible to the antibiotics. Your herx at the 100mg MWF level of Minocin might get slightly worse as you go onto Benicar. Hopefully it will not, but better to be prepared...

Zithromax is best when administered weekly, as a supplement to the Minocycline. What happens is that after a while all the bugs which are susceptible to Minocycline are killed off, and from that point you get little benefit from Minocycline alone. But you can introduce the Azithromycin, for a 2-component therapy, and eventually add a third antibiotic once all the bugs susceptible to 2 abx have been killed off.

Even in sarcoidosis, we are finding that this 3 abx protocol seems to be enough to return patients to "health". Very few of us are there yet, but many are getting close... It takes about 12-24 months for a sarc patient to totally kill off all the bugs they have been carrying around.

I posted a copy of the stage II protocol (the one you should transition to) on 17th March in the "My Vitamin D and ACE Results are back" thread. Take a look at it and let meg or myself know if you have any questions.

The low dose Azithromycin continues for another 3 to 9 months before the herx will fully subside - then you get a chance to finally kill off the remaining bugs with the 3abx combo...

Doc can call me if he/she wants more info on exactly how the antibiotic cocktails work...

..Trevor..

 
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Author: steve (---.cache.esat.net)
Date:   03-21-04 05:30

hi i have had sar for a number of years but recently had an echogram wich showed scaring to my heart du to hypertension,so i am on tritace 10mgs but on reading the leaflet it says that it is an ace inhibitor my question is ,will it do me any good
steve

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-21-04 07:50

Steve,
No, ACE inhibitors will do your Sarc no good at all. You need an Angiotensin Receptor Blocker. A totally diferent drug. Ask Doc to change you to Benicar 40mg every 8 hours.

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Alexander (217.93.189.---)
Date:   03-21-04 08:41

Hi Trevor,
after half a year now I am down on 7.5 mg Prednison to fight sarc (lungs, generalized lymp nodes, hypercalcemia, nephrocalcinosis...). On Wednesday my vitamin-D levels will be back.
My doctor probably will agree to the MP, but what, if Vitamin-D
will be low? My lymph nodes are smaller again, x-ray of lungs has improved, ACE is lower, but I am feeling all but healthy. Should I try the protocol in any case of Vitamin-D level?

Thank you very much,
Alexander
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-21-04 08:51

Alexander,
Once you understand what causes this disease, you also understand why it only gets worse. Why it will never go away on its own.

The body cannot fight the bacteria because they are living inside the cells which the body needs to fight with. Like a trojan horse. Biopsy verified sarcoidosis only gets worse as time goes by, never better. It never stays the same, only gets worse.

Prednisone ruthlessly suppresses the ability of your body's cells to react to the bacteria living within them. It hides the problem (temporarily) and makes the infection worse.

Why would you not want to rid your life of Sarcoidosis?

..Trevor..

 
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Author: Dan Holmes (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date:   03-21-04 09:27

Hi Sarcinfo,

This is my first posting, so in addition to my requests/questions, I have also included a summary of my sarcoid progression. I have been (and continue to) review the information presented on this site and have the following questions and requests:

1)Can you please send me the details on starting MP?
2)From what I have read on your web site, I understand that an elevated 1,25 D reading is a very strong indicator of Sarcoid. Can anything else cause this test result to be elevated (beyond bad lab testing)?
3)In my case, since I have often eaten salmon and enjoy the outdoors, I expect to have a notable supply of vitamin D stored in my system. Is there anything (other than future avoidance) that I can do to speed the reduction of vitamin D from my system?
4)Can you provide the name of an MD in Northern Virginia (Vienna, Reston, Fairfax), Washington D.C, the NIH, or Maryland familiar with MP?

The remainder of this email are my experiences with Sarcoid and short-term plans. I would greatly appreciate any comments and suggestions. Please note that I found this web site 4 days ago, so many of my past decisions (and acceptance of medical advice from various professionals) will be different going forward.

I am a 43 year-old white male; physically active (hockey, cycling, hiking, canoeing) and overall in good health until 1 year ago. We have lived in Northern Virginia for the last 3 years since moving from Ottawa, Canada. After turning 30, I started to experience minor seasonal allergies but the symptoms (sneezing and burning in my eyes for 1-2 seconds), which cleared up in a few weeks with no medication.

In April 2003, I noticed that when I woke up, I was weasing for the first 5-10 minutes. Also, while cycling, if I climbed a small hill, I experienced a shortness of breath almost instantly (without any burning in my legs). I was jogging ~20 minutes per day at a fairly low pace and I had only minor breathing restrictions, which recovered in 2-3 minutes.

I saw my GP and learned that many new Virginian’s experience new allergy symptoms including Asthma. Dr provided some allergy medicine and an Advair inhaler suggesting that if the allergy medicine did not affect symptoms, use Advair 100/50 inhaler twice a day. The allergy medicine had no effect; however, Advair improved my symptoms.

This treatment continued through to Sept 2003 when I returned to my GP. My symptoms returned to pre-treatment levels and with a history of traveling to less developed areas Dr prescribed a chest x-ray “as a precaution”. Advair was also increased to 250/50. Symptoms improved initially but then to return to pre treatment levels.

The results of the x-ray indicating enlarged lymph nodes “Stable Mediastinal or Hilar Lymphadenopathy consisten with Sarcoidosis”.

I then had ACE blood tests with results of 39 U/L (limits 8-52 for what its worth) and a CT scan (Oct 03) with the following key points: “lymph nodes enlarged from 1 to 1.5 cm range seen in the prevascular space, the AP window, the right paratracheal region, subcarinal region and both hila. The lungs themselves are clear with the exception of a single small pleural-based module on the left. Most likely diagnosis given this appearance is sarcoid. This would be an unusual distribution of lymph nodes for an infectious etiology or lymphoma although cannot be entirely excluded”.

These results were taken to my Pulmonary DR and my Advair was increased to 500/50 and Flonase 120 was also prescribed as a nasal spray to help reduce sinus flow. The plan was to monitor my situation with a follow-up CT scan in 3 months.

Through Nov, Dec, and Jan with Advar 500 and Flonase 120, my symptoms seemed to be improving and I was starting to believe that I was in the “30% that recover from Sarcoid on their own”. I should point out that in addition to the inhalers/nasal spray, I was very busy working indoors most of the daylight hours and when outside, I was always well covered (it was cool in northern Virginia this winter).

The exceptions to my situation during this period are as follows: I spent all Christmas day hiking outside in the sun (and its reflection off the snow). The next day I was very sleepy and spent most of it on the couch. At the time, I assumed that I was tired after a physically active day and old age was catching up with me. I was also in Cape Town (SA) and Tanzania for 10 days in mid Feb (their summer) for holidays. Because of malaria and concerns for skin cancer (I have many moles), I was covered head to toe in light fabrics but spent most days outdoors. I felt physically tired but assumed it was jetlag and physical activity. I also felt very tired for a few weeks after my return, which I assumed was due to jetlag. In the past, I had recovered from 10 hrs of jetlag in 1-2 days, but this time I just assumed this was one more casualty of age.

Second CT scan in Feb 04 indicated a progression of nodules in my lungs. “There has been interval development of numerous pulmonary nodules. These are somewhat clustered around the hila bilaterally, but can be seen scattered throughout both lungs. The majority of these are in the 1-2 mm range, however the largest measures approximately 8 mm.” On the positive side: “lymph nodes are relatively stable and no new nodes are identified. No auxiliary nodes are present”. In conclusion “This has clearly progressed from the prior study. This appearance would be consistent with developing pulmonary sarcoidosis, assuming that the initial diagnosis of sarcoid is correct”.

With this development my Pulmonary Dr was anxious to get to the bottom and convinced me to have a Bronchoscopy. This was done in early March with all results were negative. Bronc prep included more blood tests including ACE, which was down slightly to 27 U/L (8-53) from 38 U/L 3 months earlier.

Pulmonary Dr was even more anxious to conclusively know what is going on and recommended a Mediastinoscopy to get a Lymph node biopsy to see what is going on and to make sure there is no Lymphoma.

This is when I started to take this more seriously and began my own analysis to better understand what is/will be happening.

My first priority was to find out what is actually happening. The bronc results also tested negative for TB etc, so my primary concern was to determining if it is a Lymphoma or Sarcoid. I checked and the Bronc performed did not attempt to gather any lymph sample. Here is a summary of my activities in the last 7 days.

1)Started to collect a detailed paper trail of my test results, medication and my symptom observations.
2)From research I understood that among the initial Lymphoma steps is to see how the other lymph nodes are doing. Likewise, I also wanted to see if sarcoid had gone to other organs. So, 3 days ago I had my third CT scan which included my abdomen for the first time. I expect the results in the next 2-3 days.
3)Because of my past symptoms of burning eyes, I just had an external eye exam. Results indicate no visible symptoms or anything that is a suspicious candidate for a biopsy.
4)I have also completed another series of blood test this week to see my ACE level and to also check for markers for possible Lymphomas. (pre MP awareness so no vitamin D tests included).
5)4 days ago, I read an article in SUSC pointing to SARCINFO which is when I began to connect the dots on the affect of sunlight and my symptoms. I also started to take steps to avoid sun and seafood. I also noticed that many of the symptoms associated with increased 1,25 D levels are also present (muscle cramps, stiffness, loss of balance, memory loss, nasal/sinus congestion).
6)2 days ago, I printed out copies of the reference articles from your web site and took them to my Pulmonary DR and GP for their review prior to my next scheduled meetings.


My next steps are as follows:

1)Stay out of the sun and avoid seafood.
2)Continue to study sarcoid and related info.
3)Review the details in the MP.
4)Get my latest CT scan results to see if there are symptoms of Lymphoma in other nodes or Sarcoid in other organs.
5)Review my CT scans with Lymphoma expert on Tuesday to (hopefully) confirm that this branch is a low probability.
6)Find out if my GP or Pulmonary Dr will be willing to try the MP approach. (at least prescribe the vitamin D tests).
7)Post my results here to get additional insight on the sequence of my next steps (results dependent).

Thanks all for taking the time to read all this. Hopefully, my experiences can also be of use to someone else.

Sincerely,

Dan in Northern Virginia.

 
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Author: Saskia (---.dip.t-dialin.net)
Date:   03-21-04 15:17

Hi there,

I am 26 year old girl from Germany (sarcoidosis II) going to start the Mino in about 2 weeks (prednison is still too high to do so right now). I also have the ARB (here it is called "votum"). My question is concerning the ARB. I am not sure because I do not have any therapy plan (could anyone please be so kind to send it to me if something like this is existing?)
How long do I have to take Olmesartan? During the whole Mino therapy? I can not believe that.. My doctor told me not to do so, because I am a lightweight and he is worried that a dosage as high as 40mg every 6-8 hours might be dangerous. I know, that there is no need to be frightened, I just wanted to know if the ARB dose recommended depends on the patient`s weight and how long I have to go on with it?
Thanks so far and greetings from Stuttgart

Saskia

 
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Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-21-04 17:06

Saskia,
Please be very careful to make sure you get exactly the same ARB which everybody else is using, that is made by Sankyo Pharma, and called Olmetec in Europe. I read that Votum is made by Berlin Chemie under a co-marketing agreement. I don't understand the subtleties of that business arrangement.

What concerns me is that the properties of the ARB needed by Sarcoidosis sufferers are not the Blood Pressure lowering effects, but the ability to block receptors all over the body, particularly in the brain. Novartis makes an ARB called Diovan, and it is not nearly as good as Sankyo's Benicar/Olmetec. In fact, it is not even comparable in the relief it offers, even though it is thought to be identical in function. While I was taking Diovan (before Sankyo got into the market) Novartis changed from using capsules to producing a tablet. The tablets were nowhere near as good even as the capsules. The tablet would not suppress my tinnitus (in fact they made it worse). If Sankyo hadn't come along with Benicar I am not sure what I would have done

This was several years ago, now, but it is important to understand just how little is known about even fairly light molecular weight substances, such as the ARBs. They are thought to be identical, whereas they are not. The differences are due to the wide variety of mutations of the angiotensin receptors throughout the body. There is a level of complexity above even that statement, but I will just summarize by saying that you should get the Sankyo product, white oblong 40mg tablets stamped "Sankyo C15" (which, I think, are actually made in Germany).

Once you start taking Benicar/Olmetec your question will not be "how long do I have to take it" but "why didn't someone tell me about this wonder-drug before"? Blood pressure is not nearly as important as medicine believes it to be. Out of 100 folks here on SarcInfo I can recall two who stopped taking Benicar because of too low blood pressures. Both were able to start sometime later in their therapy. The dizziness they thought was due to low blood pressure was actually due to the sudden lowering of 1,25-D in the bodies, and the need for all the other inter-dependent hormones to adjust. We did have one patient who had advanced kidney disease who was beyond the point at which the ARB was going to be much help. But all of the rest, many of whom are slight like yourself, had no trouble functioning perfectly well at whatever blood pressures their body served up to them.

If you read our paper "new Treatments Emerge.." you will see the biochemistry in sarcoidosis, and why Angiotensin II in this disease is part of the inflammation itself, and it is far more important to suppress the angiotensin than it is to worry about blood pressure.

Additionally, you need to understand that the SarcInfo protocol is no longer Minocycline alone. You will progress to more effective antibiotics as your body kills off its initial bacterial load. Minocycline monotherapy is only effective for the first three months, or so, as you need to more effectively deal with the multiple species of antibiotic-resistant bacteria of sarcoidosis, which minocycline alone cannot attack.

Welcome to SarcInfo,
..Trevor..
ps: I used to do business with Siemens at Stuttgart - a very nice city

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-21-04 19:48

Hi Dan,

Welcome to SarcInfo. Thanks for sharing your story. You've done a good job detecting your past symptoms and relating them to sarcoidosis. Isn't it funny how we tend to excuse a variety of symptoms because of getting older?

To answer your questions:
1) a copy of our new guideline should be in your email inbox.
2) 1,25-D is theoretically elevated in other rheumatic diseases but has not been studied, except in sarcoidosis. Poor lab handling of the blood will result in an erroneous low level, not high. Be sure to insist that the blood be sent frozen.
3) There's nothing you can do to hasten the depletion of 25-D from body fat stores. It will take a few months to dissipate as you continue to avoid all sources of Vitamin D.
4) I do not know of any doctors in your area who are helping SarcInfo patients and are willing to accept referrals. The Marshall Protocol allows family physicians to take over the role of patient care traditionally assigned to a handful of sarcoid specialists. These specialists are doing all they can to resist that change. Ordering this treatment, although safe, deviates from standard treatment which is what doctors are encouraged to practice. Some doctors have ordered the D-tests, Benicar and antibiotics reluctantly so their patients are understandably concerned about protecting their status in the medical community. They do not readily reveal names and SarcInfo will not post names without a doctor's permission. Your best bet is to ask the doctor who knows you best or find an Internist with a PhD or subspecialty in pulmonary disease. We have a list of rheumatologists who have treated RA patients with minocycline and, therefore, may be more receptive to the MP. Let me know if you like me to send you the names of the RA doctors in your area.

I like your plan. You're a very methodical guy. We will look forward to helping you and following your progress.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Hayden (---.s11.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com)
Date:   03-21-04 21:19

Trevor

Very glad to read your explanation on the ARB's earlier tonight.
It answers several questions I had about them.

I have been able to convince doc that Benicar is the way to go and
am now taking 40mg 3times a day. Doc insists that my 2 abx should be
Minocin + Biaxin rather than Zithromax.

I understand that Biaxin is not as effective as Z. Is there any other
negative that I shoud be aware of if I agree to take M + Biaxin?

Hayden

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-21-04 21:22

Hayden,
Biaxin does NOT work. I will say it again. BIAXIN DOES NOT WORK.

I took it for about 6 months. IT WAS ABOUT AS EFFECTIVE AS A SUGAR PILL by comparison with Azithromycin.

Get Doc to call me if he has problems with Azithromycin. I can't understand why he would. It is the most prescribed antibiotic in the USA

..trevor..

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Hayden (---.s11.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com)
Date:   03-21-04 21:33

Trevor,
Dc has found that I have antibodies to legionella pneumophillia (Spelling?)
and believes that Biaxin is especialy good for that bug.

Will ask doc again to call you. Thanks for the reply.

Hayden

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Kerry (---.hawaii.rr.com)
Date:   03-22-04 12:06

Hello Trevor and Meg,
I got the MP and printed it out to share with my Dr. One thing that worries me is that I have extremely low blood-pressure. So low that when I stand up the room spins and I feel woozy. Is this going to be a problem if I follow the MP? Also, I live in Hawaii. My husband is in the Navy so we use tri-care and are seen at the Navy clinic and Army hospital. I have no idea where to begin to look to find a Dr who is savy on sarc. Any ideas? Also, living in Hawaii with three small children who love to play outside makes it very hard to avoid the sun. Any advise to help me get thru that? Thanks - Kerry

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-22-04 12:17

Kerry,
I will address the wooziness and let others explain the sunshine issues.

The wooziness you get from standing up after crouching down is not directly related to your blood pressure. It is related a little to pulmonary hypertension, but more directly to your vascular tone.

In fact, as we get more and more data from the sarc folks who are taking Benicar we realize how little importance Blood Pressure, by itself, really has. Wooziness and dizziness are caused by a complex interaction between hormones, cardiovascular status, and gravity.

I myself used to have dizziness when I stood up after sitting on my haunches for more than a few seconds at a time. My BP started out at 160/98 in 1999 (which is very high) and dropped to 120/65 (normal) after the first year of antibiotic therapy. But the dizziness on standing up stayed the same until about 18 months into the therapy, when it disappeared over a period of a couple of months. The blood pressure didn't change during this period.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Saskia (---.dip.t-dialin.net)
Date:   03-22-04 12:52

Dear Trevor an Meg,

many many thanks for supporting me!
Votum is exactly the same as Benicar. Co-Marketing means, that ONE product (identical in any way) is distributed by two companies at the same time, because the capacity of the field work can not be covered by just one company (sorry for my poor german, hope you got it nevertheless).. It is definitely Olmesartanmedoxomil! My mum is a pharmcist and I am looking back on a long career of illness (I suffered form rheumatism for about 16 years starting at the age of two) - so I understand now, that this is off-label-use.. It is hard for me preparing the new therapy now, because since taking Prednison I do feel so much better. It is as if someone had given me my "old" life back. I can breathe so much better now, I do not feel depressed and tired any longer and right now I have to confront myself with the fact that Prednison even makes it worse.. Can you imagine how I feel? I am so sick and tired of fighting and suffering but this seems to be an effort (propably the last one) I have to make.. But these few weeks now under Prednison (from February 16th on) gave me the motivation to start fighting again sarcoidosis and no longer being satisfied with what german doctors say about alternative ways of therapy.. Just one more question: As I have finsihed my studies now, I am looking forward to start a job - will I be able to handle this? My physical and psychological state is very robust, I am not the person who sees herself disabled in any way! Even while sarcoidosis was at its strongest I went on studying and working besides.. I just want you to bolster me..

love and regards

Saskia

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-22-04 14:26

Kerry,

Just out of curiosity, what is your blood pressure? My story parallels Trevors except I started the Benicar with a pressure of 106/76 on an hectic day. I experienced transitional dizziness that I thought was related to my new pressure of 90/60. I was wrong. Trevor's explanation correlates nicely with what I experienced too. That dizziness wasn't simply a matter of low blood pressure because, now, after a year on the Protocol, my pressure is still 90/70 (or lower) and I do not get dizzy anymore, even taking Benicar every six hours.

I believe you will be at a disadvantage if you are limited to using Navy/Army doctors. Other patients stationed at government bases have reported limited choices for medical care if they want to stay in the system. Sarc savvy doctors are found in many places. Please read the various threads on finding a doctor. I hope you have some resources to seek other medical opinions. I'll email you a list of doctors in Hawaii who are familiar with using minocyline for treating RA. They may be more receptive than most doctors to trying something new.

Avoiding the sun will be a challenge with small children who like to play outside. Can you trade child watching services with other Moms so they watch your kids during the day when they want to be outside? Then you could play outside with them at dusk. Children can be very understanding if they know that this will make Mommy well and that this is a temporary situation. Perhaps someone else has another solution.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-22-04 14:54

Saskia,

Prednisone makes a lot of patients feel better temporarily. I know one doctor who wonders why it hasn't become a street drug for that reason. I wish everyone who found renewed energy with Prednisone would be like you and use that energy to find a real solution to their disease.

Yes, you can probably handle the Marshall Protocol and working. I've been able to time most Herxheimer reactions to coincide with my days and weekends off. But I also have an understanding boss who would reduce my case load if I said I needed to rest. The beauty of the MP is that you can go at your own pace. You never have to take more antibiotics than you can tolerate and the Benicar calms the Herxheimer symptoms nicely. So make you plans to live your life to the fullest. It may be a bit tougher for a few months, especially as you are weaning from the Prednisone but the reward will be health without dangerous medication.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Kerry (---.hawaii.rr.com)
Date:   03-22-04 20:02

My blood pressure when it was last taken three weeks ago was 90/60.
I don't know if I will be able to get refferals to civillian Drs. or not. I could go there on my own if I switch from tri-care prime (no charge) to tri-care standard (20% of the bill is my responsibility). Money is tight and I really don't think we could afford that. I will look into it. My only future appointment at this time is with the gastroenterologist on April 1. I think I may go in to a primary care Dr. sooner as I am suffering from a terrible sinus cold. My kids all had it, and they are getting better. I am not. First I need to make a copy of my medical reccords. The clinic where my records are kept has a new policy and will not allow you to take your records home with you. I may fight it if I don't have the opportunity to get to a copy machine. Thanks again - Kerry

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Serena (---.proxy.aol.com)
Date:   03-22-04 22:36

Meg,

Thank you so very much for the helping me find a doctor that was willing to help me. Dr. Strickland put me on Benicar & in only a few days I felt NORMAL. It has been so long since I felt normal that it scared me. Next week I should start on Minocycline. I am scared but ready. Any advice?

Serena.

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Mary Mc (---.ad.au.prserv.net)
Date:   03-23-04 05:27

Hi Guys

Time for the regular update. 4 months into the protocol I'm on 100 of mino second daily and Z 250mgs every 8 days, tomorrow I start to add Bactrim. I am taking Avapro 150mgs TDS(poor Aussies can't get anything better) and still no herx.

Could someone please email me the Marshall protocol, although I've been on it for some time I've just told my medico what I needed and he under protest obliged, but now I am in a position to spread the word to some of the Physcians I work with, hence the need for the full protocol.

For the few of you out there like me who haven't had any herx yet, keep plugging away, I really believe in this protocol the results speak for themselves.

I would however like to hear from any of you who have not experieced any herx just to see if there are any common threads. Good luck and Thanks to Trevor and all the team.


Mary Mc

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Grant (---.134.94-103.clta.telus.com)
Date:   03-23-04 05:51

Trevor,
As I discuss the protocol with more and more people, - some medical professionals - I find I need to deepen my understanding.

For example - can you describe briefly how the 'normal' D-ratio was derived? When I use the lab limits for hi/lo I actually get numbers varying from .8 to 1.3, depending... (this was just a 'spreadsheet' exercise I was doing)...

ALSO - a note to those on the protocol using Prednisone, and wondering about the move to ARBs... I've been having to 'make do' so far with Avapro instead of Benicar, but even so, the symptomatic relief provided by the ARB certainly rivals and exeeds prednisone and WITHOUT the dangerous side effects! How can this be 'bad' or 'dangerous'.... Ask your reluctant docs to explain this.

Thanks,
Grant

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Steve Backes (---.tnt3.ij.net)
Date:   03-23-04 06:13

Regarding blood pressure and dizziness:

I've experienced dizziness when standing up off-and-on for as long as I can remember. I recall incidences as far back as 30 years ago in high school. In 1989, I was diagnosed with hypertension and placed on minimal dose BP meds. I came off meds for about three years before going back on them few years ago. I continue to be on the minimal dose.

Since being diagnosed with sarc, I've occasionally had problems feeling I was going to pass out after 3-4 deep breathes when the doc is listening to my lungs. My pulmo suggested I discuss this with my GP believing it involves my BP dosing. The problem with this is that it only happens when I'm exhibiting a number of sarc symptoms. This is also the times that include the dizziness when standing up. My blood pressure continues to test in the borderline/high range (136-145/82-92) whether the dizziness is occurring or not.

I've also been experiencing some dizziness (unrelated to the periods involving the standing up dizziness) with SOB upon exertion. This was noticeable yesterday when mowing my lawn for the first time this year and while setting up our tent in the backyard for my son's first camp out.

Steve

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-23-04 06:40

Grant,
The normal values I use come from the study:
Brot C, Jorgensen NR, Sorensen OH: The influence of smoking on vitamin D status and calcium metabolism. Eur J Clin Nutr Dec 1999, 53(12): 920-6

You will need to get the full text for their tabulated data of normalized values. The results from this study correlate (at the 2 sigma level) with Merck's maximum (29+9+9 approx= 47 pg/ml) The D-ratio data I use came from the tables in that paper.

I do have examined data on 1700 patients from Toronto Hospital showing an average D-Ratio amongst that (sick) cohort of about 1.8
So I use 2 to 2.5 as the cutoff above which I assume the presence of significant inflammatory disease.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Grant (---.134.94-103.clta.telus.com)
Date:   03-23-04 07:17

Trevor, thanks...

I've been using the normal (2 std deviatons) envelope as .3 to 2.3 (moles -- or .25 to 2.25 grams) and that a D-ratio above 3 (from your papers) is indicative of 'runaway' inflammation condition. I guess I haven't been to far off.

I've seen references to the papers you mention -- I'll check them out -- thanks.

Also, for my studies, is a paper from 1998 regarding the 'Molecular functions of vitamin D' (in a Journal of Physiology) likely to still be fairly accurate?

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-23-04 07:27

Grant,
It is not possible to generalize on the accuracy of study papers without carefully considering their contents. There is trash being published even today and real gems that were published a century ago.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: GLB (---.stcgpa.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-23-04 07:51

Mary Mc - I too have been experiencing little herx. The first day on the Zithro I did feel a tightness in the chest and flushed feeling I've come to associate with herx. Since then, and even on 100mg Minocycline and 500 Zith, I've felt little of what I read about here. What does that mean? Is this not the right antibiotic combination for me?

I started as recommended a month ago, but realizing that I was not having the aggressive herx as described by others on this site, began a regime of Minocycline (100mg) and Z (500mg) every other day last week. I have enough medication to continue this track to the end of the month.

What would be recommened beyon that? Should I continue this indefinately?

GLB

 
 Re: Archive of General Questions 16-23 March 2004
Author: Admin (---.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
Date:   03-23-04 08:06

GLB and Mary Mc,
I cannot emphasize how important it is to have an effective angiotensin blockade in place with Benicar (and ONLY Benicar).

We have known for some time that Benicar is much more effective than the other ARBs, but we are just now understanding that Benicar is probably capable of actually weakening the bacteria themselves, and I now understand why it is so much better than other ARBs, and why some folks might get reasonable relief from Avapro, while others do not, depending on the specific bacterial species which they are carrying.

Benicar makes the bacteria more susceptible to the antibiotics. Please follow that part of the protocol to the letter. I know you are probably interested in the molecular medicine behind the above statements, but I am still fleshing it out and will have a detailed paper ready in a month or two.

..Trevor..

 
 Re: Archive of General Questions 16-23 March 2004
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-23-04 13:43

Serena,

Thanks for the Benicar testimonial. Are you listening everyone? Don't worry about the Herx, you will be able to manage it. Just follow the guideline to the MP that I emailed you. And ask anything here that you aren't sure of.

Meg

 
 Re: Archive of General Questions 16-23 March 2004
Author: Meg (---.115.74.164.euc.wi.charter.com)
Date:   03-23-04 13:57

Mary Mc.,

If your doctor is willing to write a prescription, you can get Benicar imported from this source:

US Pharmacy
http://www.usadrug.net/en/index.htm
AS MedCare
2333 Alexadia Drive
Lexington, KY 40504
Email: sales@u..
They require a prescription from a licensed physician
They accept faxed(or .pdf filed) prescriptions

I tried to send you the Protocol guideline but your server is rejecting my email.

Meg

 
 Re: ***** Please ask General Questions Here ****
Author: Eurico (---.bank-banque-canada.ca)
Date:   03-25-04 13:26

Trevor, believe me, my wife and I are quite confident of the MP. Discussing it with specialists can be a very frustrating exercise in patience.

While we were waiting to see the doc, I quickly glanced through the following fascinating article in the March 22 Canadian issue of Time magazine (which I even showed the doc) - it talks about inflammatory/autoimmune diseases and even mentions bacteria and mycoplasma as possible sources - here's the link:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040223/

It seems that the U.S. issue was published Feb. 23, 2004. It even refers to MS, Alzheimer's, ALS, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis and cancer as having similar root cause. I guess you've hit the nail right on the nose, Trevor. As I suspected, it looks like you're definitely on the right track to stardom.

Eurico

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